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Old 12-12-2021, 03:32 PM
 
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But that a big part of CRT and wokeness. Twisting history by doing things like taking down confederate statues and doing away with historical figures that don’t fit their agenda.
That poster is channeling Joy Reid in the CRT denial. The denial is pure propaganda and we all know it.

The denial strategy is dead.

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Old 12-12-2021, 03:39 PM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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There is no CRT being taught. History is being taught. You can't sugarcoat history as much want to do.
CRT isn't history class. It's a social construct, abstract in nature. There are no names and dates.
It's about a racial viewpoint of society. It's an idea, a concept.
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Old 12-12-2021, 03:42 PM
 
Location: North Pacific
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That makes the successes in education and thereafter, not a race issue, but a class issue. With the exception to the class rule, being that of the 'person' against all odds succeeds at great lengths and has the story to tell about it.

What are public educators doing when they put into kids head things to be self-conscious over? Certainly not teaching skills to succeed, that's for sure. But then my money is still on the kids who are resilient are often understand grown-up BS when they hear it.
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Eh, no. There is a lot that is socio-economic but it is shown that whites who are born in the lowest quintile can rise up at about a 4 out of 5 chance with a near even distribution, while statistically African-Americans only have a 2 out of 5 chance with most staying in the lowest or crossing into the second-lowest.

The fact is, I think many who are alcoholic, baseheads, meth-heads, etc. are typically traumatized especially as a kid. Maybe their parents used. Maybe their parent abused the other and the child. Maybe a parent was incarcerated. There are a lot of possibilities but traumatized children often are less resilient sadly. The more traumatized a child is, the less resilient they will be. If a traumatized child is born poor, they will likely stay poor, even if they try their hardest to not do drugs or stay out of legal trouble.

So I do agree that lower-income lowest quintile people have the hardest chance of moving up, but there is a racial component to it. Why that is whether it is trauma, a single parent or outright racism, is beyond me.
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but there is a racial component to it.
Beyond basic science, no.
The only oppressor in this society is the law; that which is driving a person into becoming a meth-head.
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Old 12-12-2021, 03:43 PM
 
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So businesses do not have a hiring manager that may want a white man who he "understands better" than a black man who scored the same? So there aren't places that are more affluent and have less blacks because they cannot afford it and call the cops the minute one of them are in town? (Mind you, I've heard the inverse about a particular town on Long Island.) So there isn't a propensity for black areas to be where crack dealers hang out?

Now I agree, that whites especially low-income are no different. It happens not just with the meth-heads but also with alcoholics. And Lord knows, there are far more alcoholics than meth-heads. The alcoholics are only in legal trouble if they get a DUI as oppose to meth which is an illegal substance. The issue is it is widely known that more blacks are likely to be lower income than whites are as a percent of the population. I've linked that several times in a video that shows the wealth gap and socio-economic inequality.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2XFh_tD2RA
When you have a culture where you can be ridiculed and beaten up for being "too white", then you will never escape your class. That's the problem. It's not some one-off made-up scenario that could happen. If you can't read and you have no skills, drive, or you don't care about anything, you will rarely, if ever, succeed.
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Old 12-12-2021, 03:59 PM
 
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But that a big part of CRT and wokeness. Twisting history by doing things like taking down confederate statues and doing away with historical figures that don’t fit their agenda.
It has nothing to do with CRT.

I love studying the civil war, however, the enemy of the state shouldn’t have monuments in the first place. Even General Lee would agree with that.

Nor do any of these statues coming down matter in history.

And CRT isn’t being taught in k-12. Y’all are just using that as a catch all to whine about anything you find objectionable race related like systemic inequality, bias, or white privilege. Likely the root of this is a tinge of racism you hide most of the time but it’s trying to get out.
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Old 12-12-2021, 04:06 PM
 
Location: North Pacific
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It has nothing to do with CRT.

I love studying the civil war, however, the enemy of the state shouldn’t have monuments in the first place. Even General Lee would agree with that.

Nor do any of these statues coming down matter in history.

And CRT isn’t being taught in k-12. Y’all are just using that as a catch all to whine about anything you find objectionable race related like systemic inequality, bias, or white privilege. Likely the root of this is a tinge of racism you hide most of the time but it’s trying to get out.
All those parents raising hell with their school boards ought to get a life ... although I agree it isn't CRT that is being taught --- no teacher k-12 has the mentality to teach legal strategy, nor should they even want to.
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Old 12-12-2021, 04:31 PM
 
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CRT isn't history class. It's a social construct, abstract in nature. There are no names and dates.
It's about a racial viewpoint of society. It's an idea, a concept.
Yaaaaassss!

Say it again for the people in the back!
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Old 12-12-2021, 04:41 PM
 
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It has nothing to do with CRT.

I love studying the civil war, however, the enemy of the state shouldn’t have monuments in the first place. Even General Lee would agree with that.

Nor do any of these statues coming down matter in history.

And CRT isn’t being taught in k-12. Y’all are just using that as a catch all to whine about anything you find objectionable race related like systemic inequality, bias, or white privilege. Likely the root of this is a tinge of racism you hide most of the time but it’s trying to get out.

What do you think of monuments to Chief Crazy Horse and Geronimo?
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Old 12-12-2021, 04:44 PM
 
Location: NYC
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CRT isn't history class. It's a social construct, abstract in nature. There are no names and dates.
It's about a racial viewpoint of society. It's an idea, a concept.
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Yaaaaassss!

Say it again for the people in the back!

We already have 'History' class, K-12.

What is it that CRT is bringing to the table?

Seems like something more for higher education.
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Old 12-12-2021, 04:44 PM
 
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"Critical race theory - that is not taught in public schools in Virginia," The Washington Post's Jonathan Capehart is seen saying on PBS "NewsHour."

"There's no evidence it's been taught in public schools, an NBC News report declared.

"Critical race theory not taught in Virginia schools," a guest on MSNBC's "Morning Joe" said.

But these pundits are relying on an "incredibly limited definition" of CRT, NewsBusters argued, one that focuses on "a high-level study examining the intersection between race and other cultural forces."

"So yes, fifth graders aren’t hearing graduate-level seminars on racial identity and intersectionality, but all of the same concepts are still there — deconstructing "whiteness," institutional racism, white privilege, and all of the other concepts that everyone (except the media) commonly associates with CRT," the outlet noted.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/newsbu...edias-crt-lies
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