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Old 12-28-2021, 02:46 PM
 
Location: USA
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Various cities that border the bay waters within the San Francisco Bay Area have built sea walls long their coastal borders because they claim (and fear) the seas are rising because global warming is melting the icebergs.

There are roughly 9 super high volume sewage plants that pump out treated sewage throughout the entire San Francisco Bay Area. The fact is, the San Francisco Bay is filling up with treated sewage (sludge). Just one example is, there are multiple story apartment complexes being built everywhere you look in the San Francisco Bay Area. Each complex consists of at least 140 units. Each unit has at least one toilet, and in some cases even up to two. On average a toilet is flushed at least 10 times per day. Multiply that with the amount of toilets. If they were really concerned with environmental impact, they'd stop building all of these massive apartment complexes throughout the San Francisco Bay Area. It's at an epidemic level.

So the coastal water isn't rising from icebergs melting. The bay is filling up with treated sewage sludge (spent toilet paper & treated human waste) . Every day (24/7 395 days a year) there's got to be several hundred tons of it going through the sewage system, to the treatment facilities, treated and then released into the San Francisco Bay. That's the real deal, not some wackjob global whining icebergs melting in the north pole and now causing coastal waters in the San Francisco Bay area to rise, and the sky is falling bs.
I didn’t know they built a dam across the Golden Gate.
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Old 12-28-2021, 02:55 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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CO2 absorbs infrared radiation. So if you put more CO2 in the atmosphere, the atmosphere will absorb more of the infrared radiation emitted by the earth. That means the atmosphere will warm up.
Again, that’s an idea. It has not been shown to actually happen. In fact, global temperatures were flat for much of the late 90s and 2000s. If there is a relationship between co2 and warming, it’s not a linear one. But we know that. Mars has a co2 rich atmosphere and is inhospitably cold. Venus has a more balanced atmospheric composition and is inhospitably hot. There are countless factors that create a planet’s climate. I’m not convinced co2 is one of them.
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Old 12-28-2021, 03:02 PM
 
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I pull my weight for “climate change”.

An egr delete in your diesel will make your engine run cooler and stronger while saving fuel costs and possibly thousands of dollars in expenses associated with the damage an egr system does to your engine.

I’d do it after your warranty expires and if smog checks aren’t required.
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Old 12-28-2021, 03:19 PM
 
Location: Austin
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That is the real question! They go on about stuff that will at best achieve little to nothing and at worst will make matters worse. Notice how nothing is being said about global destruction of rain forests? OK, admittedly, rain forests can only remove so much CO2 from the atmosphere but destroying those forest not only removes that small CO2 sink but adds the sunk CO2 back into the atmosphere! Even so, those rain forests that are being ignored have a far bigger impact than the stuff they are harping about.
Yes let's talk about unintended consequences and rain forests. The pied pipers of planet salvation, Bernie and the squad tell us that AGW will annihilate us in twelve yrs. Wow the end seems alarmingly near! Alright let's kill fossil fuel production now. Breathing a deep sigh of relief that we may make it past D-day now? Guess again. Most of us are dead within five yrs. The planet's population carrying capacity is governed by the amount and quality of available energy and the bulk of that is currently from oil and gas. Mature populations grow to meet the carrying capacity and then waver at that threshold ... trying to grow, competing for energy, finding insufficient available then dying back ... on and on oscillating at that level until a new form of energy becomes available and then there's another population growth wave to the next level of carrying capacity. Traditional biomass (burning peat, wood, *** dung, whatever) takes you from hunter/gatherer through pre-industrial society. Global population in 1750 at the end of the biomass era was 750 million. Coal came next and that took us through the industrial age where the planet's carrying capacity went to about 2.5 billion although we never reached that ceiling before tapping the next resource, oil and gas. That has taken us to 7.8 billion and still growing.

Now reverse that and see what happens. Don't say yeah but solar and wind .... blah blah. They aren't ready. Battery tech isn't ready not to mention that virtually everything on the planet is made of plastic. Take away oil and gas and I can promise you that people will denude every square foot of forest on the planet for heating and cooking in four years. The planet's carrying capacity will shed 6 billion people. That doesn't mean they just disappear, it means a mass die-off like you can't imagine. A true apocalypse that will plunge the world into war over resources, food and basic survival. How do you end the world faster than Bernie says AGW will end it? Do exactly what he wants. Slam the breaks on oil and gas and you will terminate civilization.
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Old 12-28-2021, 03:32 PM
 
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Various cities that border the bay waters within the San Francisco Bay Area have built sea walls long their coastal borders because they claim (and fear) the seas are rising because global warming is melting the icebergs.
just so you know....the rate of sea level rise in San Francisco has been flat out consistent for the over 100 years....global warming and ice melting has had zero effect on the rate of sea level rise in San Francisco

for the past 100 years....the rate of sea level rise has been 0.077 inch a year....less than 1 inch a decade

.....0.65 feet in 100 years

less than 8 inches in 100 years.......8 inches is one cement block


tide gauge > https://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sl...tml?id=9414290
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Old 12-28-2021, 03:38 PM
 
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
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CO2 absorbs infrared radiation. So if you put more CO2 in the atmosphere, the atmosphere will absorb more of the infrared radiation emitted by the earth. That means the atmosphere will warm up.
Again, that’s an idea. It has not been shown to actually happen. In fact, global temperatures were flat for much of the late 90s and 2000s. If there is a relationship between co2 and warming, it’s not a linear one. But we know that. Mars has a co2 rich atmosphere and is inhospitably cold. Venus has a more balanced atmospheric composition and is inhospitably hot. There are countless factors that create a planet’s climate. I’m not convinced co2 is one of them.
No, that's not an 'idea'. It's a fact.

Mars hardly has an atmosphere at all. All that's left of it is the CO2. It would really need a way thicker atmosphere to be more hospitable, not to mention it's distance from the sun. As for Venus, that would be a classical example of what happens with such a high CO2 concentration. Its proximity to the sun doesn't help either. It's surface temperature is red hot! Well, almost.

What is it that makes you not convinced that CO2 is a contributing factor? Water vapor is a contributing factor but its effect is not well understood because it also form cloud cover which has a cooling effect but it also has a warming effect and produces rain which has a cooling effect too. Yeah, it's complicated.
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Old 12-28-2021, 03:40 PM
 
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There's no way any sane, rational and logical human being can deny human-caused climate change after the many extreme weather events in 2021:
  • Extreme "rain bomb" KILLS New Yorkers in their basement flats
  • Extreme tornado KILLS Kentuckians in DECEMBER
  • Record drought all over the West
  • Record massive wildfires
  • British Columbia sets all time high record of 121 F. On that day it was hotter there than in Death Valley.
  • Texas deep freeze, due to massive heat dome over the North Pole that pushed cold air south, shuts down the power grid

The Year in Climate (good summary from ABC News)

How many more people have to die and how many more people have to lose their homes before we finally unite and agree that climate change is a very serious threat to all of us?
I was repeated told by the cult of climate change that weather <> climate.
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Old 12-28-2021, 03:42 PM
 
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Various cities that border the bay waters within the San Francisco Bay Area have built sea walls long their coastal borders because they claim (and fear) the seas are rising because global warming is melting the icebergs.

There are roughly 9 super high volume sewage plants that pump out treated sewage throughout the entire San Francisco Bay Area. The fact is, the San Francisco Bay is filling up with treated sewage (sludge). Just one example is, there are multiple story apartment complexes being built everywhere you look in the San Francisco Bay Area. Each complex consists of at least 140 units. Each unit has at least one toilet, and in some cases even up to two. On average a toilet is flushed at least 10 times per day. Multiply that with the amount of toilets. If they were really concerned with environmental impact, they'd stop building all of these massive apartment complexes throughout the San Francisco Bay Area. It's at an epidemic level.

So the coastal water isn't rising from icebergs melting. The bay is filling up with treated sewage sludge (spent toilet paper & treated human waste) . Every day (24/7 395 days a year) there's got to be several hundred tons of it going through the sewage system, to the treatment facilities, treated and then released into the San Francisco Bay. That's the real deal, not some wackjob global whining icebergs melting in the north pole and now causing coastal waters in the San Francisco Bay area to rise, and the sky is falling bs.
I heard the real estate properties in those cities are on fire sale!!!
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Old 12-28-2021, 03:44 PM
 
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When will those airlines be going electric?
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Old 12-28-2021, 04:08 PM
 
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
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Now reverse that and see what happens. Don't say yeah but solar and wind .... blah blah. They aren't ready. Battery tech isn't ready not to mention that virtually everything on the planet is made of plastic. Take away oil and gas and I can promise you that people will denude every square foot of forest on the planet for heating and cooking in four years. The planet's carrying capacity will shed 6 billion people. That doesn't mean they just disappear, it means a mass die-off like you can't imagine. A true apocalypse that will plunge the world into war over resources, food and basic survival. How do you end the world faster than Bernie says AGW will end it? Do exactly what he wants. Slam the breaks on oil and gas and you will terminate civilization.
Good point. I actually never thought of the bolded that way. I did realize we just can't simply stop using fossil fuels.

By the way, I am under the impression that the US has reduced carbon and other emissions considerably over the years.
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