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Maybe much of our populace is just slow to come to that realization. Also, many of our populace believe that the hospitals are so full of those horrible unvaccinated individuals that actual people that are worthy of being cared for at the hospital are being turned away. Pure ignorance.
It is sickening how easily people can be turned on each other..absolute mindless sheep.
I won't complain about the lack of staff, but I will complain about all of the un-vaccinated people taking 90% of the available staffed hospital beds, and demanding to be saved at all costs. They made their bed, now let 'em sleep in it.....at home.
Yup, the same for those pregnant people, and people with sports injuries, and the obese, and the smokers. In fact, hospitals should just be for healthy people who made all the right decisions in their lives.
BTW, how many of the patients are in the hospital for unrelated issues and simply tested positive for COVID during routine admission procedures, even though they are asymptomatic?
Which is safer, an employee who doesn't need to be tested and likely will feel good enough to come to work even though they are infectious or someone who is tested regularly and if they do get sick, will likely be too sick to come to work and spread the disease?
If a nurse is unvaccinated, they have a greater chance of catching Covid. If they have Covid, they could spread the disease to patients and fellow staff. That is, if they are unvaccinated they have a greater chance of spreading the disease to patients and fellow staff.
The problem with your scenario is that when people first start feeling sick from Covid (vaccinated or unvaccinated), it's often a day or two before they really start feeling bad enough to call in sick. During those one or two days they can spread Covid to patients and fellow staff.
So let's say you have Nurse A and Nurse B. Nurse A is vaccinated, Nurse B isn't.
As I have shown in post #83, an unvaccinated person is 5X more likely to catch Covid than a vaccinated one. That right there, off the bat, tells you Nurse A is already safer. Nurse A is 5 times less likely to catch Covid and spread it to patients and fellow staff. If Nurse B gets Covid, they probably won't feel that bad for a day or two, during which time they could spread it around at work. Then they will start to feel bad, call in sick and get tested. Nurse A, on the other hand, already has 1/5th the risk, but if they do get Covid, like Nurse B they might not feel bad enough for a day or two, and also spread it around at work.
But as I said, that Nurse A has only 1/5th the chance of doing that as Nurse B does.
Furthermore, also in post #83 I showed that unvaccinated are 14 times at greater risk of dying of Covid than vaccinated people. So, Nurse B not only has a 5X greater chance of getting Covid and spreading it around at work, they also have a 14X greater chance of dying - in other words, the hospital has a 14X greater chance of losing Nurse B to Covid than Nurse A.
If a nurse is unvaccinated, they have a greater chance of catching Covid. If they have Covid, they could spread the disease to patients and fellow staff. That is, if they are unvaccinated they have a greater chance of spreading the disease to patients and fellow staff.
The problem with your scenario is that when people first start feeling sick from Covid (vaccinated or unvaccinated), it's often a couple days before they really start feeling bad enough to call in sick. During those two days they can spread Covid to patients and fellow staff.
So let's say you have Nurse A and Nurse B. Nurse A is vaccinated, Nurse B isn't.
As I have shown in post #83, an unvaccinated person is 5X more likely to catch Covid than a vaccinated one. That right there, off the bat, tells you Nurse A is already safer. Nurse A is 5 times less likely to catch Covid and spread it to patients and fellow staff. If Nurse B gets Covid, they probably won't feel that bad for a day or two, during which time they could spread it around at work. Then they will start to feel bad, call in sick and get tested. Nurse A, on the other hand, already has 1/5th the risk, but if they do get Covid, like Nurse B they might not feel bad enough for a day or two, and also spread it around at work.
But as I said, that Nurse A has only 1/5th the chance of doing that as Nurse B does.
Furthermore, also in post #83 I showed that unvaccinated are 14 times at greater risk of dying of Covid than vaccinated people. So, Nurse B not only has a 5X greater chance of getting Covid and spreading it around at work, they also have a 14X greater chance of dying - in other words, the hospital has a 14X greater chance of losing Nurse B to Covid than Nurse A.
Thus, Nurse A is a much safer bet overall.
We've had almost 2 years to test your theory.
Is Nurse B dead?
Or did she just get fired?
Because she's alive, unvaccinated despite seeing patients nonstop for almost 2 years?
Losing hospital staff, especially in times like this, would not seem to be something acceptable. But in this case, the duty of the staff is to help patients get better. By not being vaccinated, these staff are not only increasing the risk to themselves, they are increasing the risk of their patients and their fellow employees. That is just reckless. IMO letting reckless people like this go outweighs whatever benefits of having the extra staff bring.
In most other businesses I'd be inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt, and let them get sick if they so choose. But not in a hospital.
Yes, the unvaccinated should have been let go in 2020.
If a nurse is unvaccinated, they have a greater chance of catching Covid. If they have Covid, they could spread the disease to patients and fellow staff. That is, if they are unvaccinated they have a greater chance of spreading the disease to patients and fellow staff..
With all due respect, your statement seems baseless and outdated. "They" aka the experts already said, months ago that vaccinated and unvaccinated can be carrying similar amounts of virus and could potentially spread the virus to other people.
Viral Loads Similar Between Vaccinated and Unvaccinated People
You also need to answer a simple question, what makes an unvaccinated nurse who is covid negative more dangerous than a fully vaccinated nurse who is not being tested?
As I have already said, Nurse B has a 14X greater chance of being dead from Covid than Nurse A:
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As has been pointed out many, many times here ... yes, fully vaccinated can still get the virus, but they get it at a lower rate than unvaccinated, and if they do get it, they are less sick.
So, if you are worried about getting Covid from a vaccinated person, then ... get vaccinated yourself.
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Or did she just get fired?
Because she's alive, unvaccinated despite seeing patients nonstop for almost 2 years?
You seem to be making the bizarre assumption that just because Nurse B has not gotten sick and died yet, means she will never get sick and die.
Nurse B has a 5X greater chance of getting Covid than Nurse A. That she is voluntarily giving herself that 5X greater chance means she is engaging in risky behavior and, particularly in a health care setting, should be punished appropriately for that behavior.
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