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Old 02-07-2022, 10:32 AM
 
Location: The High Desert
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The source would be all the politicians in "Urban centers, which are overwhelmingly democrat" who were reelected in 2020, even after they are on video calling for police to be defunded.
That is not a source. It is simply BS.
You apparently have no source.
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Old 02-07-2022, 11:31 AM
 
Location: NJ
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On Fox News they show a montage of Democrats who support it but then I read an article on Yahoo that states that it’s just a narrative Republicans are trying to push and most democrats don’t support it.
Doesn't matter if democrat, not politicians, don't support it or for that matter silent dem legislators.

Enough video of the pace setter dems calling for the defunding of police to conclude dems favor defunding the police.

The official position is defunding the cops and wanting to replace them with social workers. As a result of not being backed, funds cuts dramatically, police have been retiring and quitting in droves. 911 calls go unanswered in dem run cities.

So the answer to whether dems support defunding police is crystal clear, they already are doing it.

Dems claim money available for police but cities redirect that money elsewhere.

Defunding the police is in conjunction with prosecutors dropping charges and no cash bail. That strategy results in the same end as defunding the police.

A funny, remember when trump wanted to withhold funds to sanctuary states/cities and the dems cried foul. they lamented that the withholding of funds would create a lawless situation and endanger the safety of citizens.

Why not ask why the mainstream media suppresses the call for defunding police.

As the dems tried to blame the repubs for defunding the police because they refused to pass a spending bill which gave no guarantee cops would get the funds set aside for the funding of police. was the height of hubris by the dems to make such a claim.

Damage done, experienced cops quit en-mass, recruitment almost non existent, what good is funding if cops are set out as evil doers hunting black men and no cash bail and no charges for resisting arrest armed robbery, theft.

Dems have defunded the police and ignored public safety. so why ask if fox news is making all this up?????
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Old 02-07-2022, 12:16 PM
 
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Doesn't matter if democrat, not politicians, don't support it or for that matter silent dem legislators.

Enough video of the pace setter dems calling for the defunding of police to conclude dems favor defunding the police.

The official position is defunding the cops and wanting to replace them with social workers. As a result of not being backed, funds cuts dramatically, police have been retiring and quitting in droves. 911 calls go unanswered in dem run cities.

So the answer to whether dems support defunding police is crystal clear, they already are doing it.

Dems claim money available for police but cities redirect that money elsewhere.

Defunding the police is in conjunction with prosecutors dropping charges and no cash bail. That strategy results in the same end as defunding the police.

A funny, remember when trump wanted to withhold funds to sanctuary states/cities and the dems cried foul. they lamented that the withholding of funds would create a lawless situation and endanger the safety of citizens.

Why not ask why the mainstream media suppresses the call for defunding police.

As the dems tried to blame the repubs for defunding the police because they refused to pass a spending bill which gave no guarantee cops would get the funds set aside for the funding of police. was the height of hubris by the dems to make such a claim.

Damage done, experienced cops quit en-mass, recruitment almost non existent, what good is funding if cops are set out as evil doers hunting black men and no cash bail and no charges for resisting arrest armed robbery, theft.

Dems have defunded the police and ignored public safety. so why ask if fox news is making all this up?????
Many states have been sued regarding cash bail that keeps poor people in jail until the trial due to no money. It has more to do with lawsuits than defund the police. Now, how DAs, bail bondsmen and judges administer it is 2 different things.
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Old 02-07-2022, 12:54 PM
 
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A law is not 'unconstitutional' UNTIL the court say it is. Am not specifying the Supreme Court but just 'the court' in general.

The police is an institution so in theory and practice, the police is bound to enforce laws regardless of how they came. Individual officers can object but their objections will be based on personal assessments of the laws, and individual officers can refuse to enforce what they perceives to be immoral laws and resign from that institution. But as long as they remain inside that institution, the individual officers are legally obligated to enforce the laws.

How does a law become 'unconstitutional'? Someone has to challenge the law. Then the court will review the law and make a decision 'Yea' or 'Nay'. We want a REACTIVE judicial system to prevent activist judges who may feel compelled to move outside their professional environment. We do not want a proactive judge to intercept bills or laws and make legal pronouncements. This would be a violation of the separation of powers idea. We already have enough problems with judges opining on issues off the bench.

So UNTIL someone challenge a law and the court strike it down, the police is legally obligated to enforce that law. As the police is the executor of the law, it is easy to turn one's ire on them. But that is exactly what the politicians want -- deflection. And based on your comment, that deflection was successful.
No, police are not obligated to enforce laws...Last summer, I asked a local cop why they dont enforce mandatory insurance requirements and driver licensing for all the young kids riding scooters on the streets, He said its "just too popular right now".


I wanted to ask this because I had recently seen a young kid almost side swipe a car in traffic, I was under the impression, everything that used public roads must have at least liability insurance, but since so many kids ride these scooters, police do not enforce the insurance laws.
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Old 02-07-2022, 12:57 PM
 
Location: Cali
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i think 2 dead leftists from Kenosha learned the hard way when the police aren't allow to do their job and local community members have to police their own community instead of cops
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Old 02-07-2022, 01:02 PM
 
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I do support replacing cops with social workers for some crimes, drug related mainly...law enforcement has had decades to get this under control, they have failed miserably, there are more drugs on the streets now than any other time in history...


Meaning, that law enforcement is unable to get this under control, (or are complicit to some degree), but either way, eventually its time to try something else, cannot keep wasting taxpayer money trying the same methods that have never been effective...


The average street cop does not know that when they arrest a small time local drug dealer, there is a line of people waiting to step into their spot and take over...point is, the dealing never stops or slows down, its just different people filling the position.
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Old 02-07-2022, 01:05 PM
 
Location: Cali
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I do support replacing cops with social workers for some crimes, drug related mainly...law enforcement has had decades to get this under control, they have failed miserably, there are more drugs on the streets now than any other time in history...


Meaning, that law enforcement is unable to get this under control, (or are complicit to some degree), but either way, eventually its time to try something else, cannot keep wasting taxpayer money trying the same methods that have never been effective...


The average street cop does not know that when they arrest a small time local drug dealer, there is a line of people waiting to step into their spot and take over...point is, the dealing never stops or slows down, its just different people filling the position.
so you are going to send unarmed social workers to deal with small time local drug dealers, who are mostly like armed, to protect their goods from being ripped off by other dealers or customers?
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Old 02-07-2022, 01:49 PM
 
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No, police are not obligated to enforce laws...Last summer, I asked a local cop why they dont enforce mandatory insurance requirements and driver licensing for all the young kids riding scooters on the streets, He said its "just too popular right now".


I wanted to ask this because I had recently seen a young kid almost side swipe a car in traffic, I was under the impression, everything that used public roads must have at least liability insurance, but since so many kids ride these scooters, police do not enforce the insurance laws.
Yes, they are. Individual officers have the latitude to enforce laws based on the situations at hand. What you described is essentially a 'small fry' issue.

Now, all you have to do is look at the current situations involving the police, the laws, and the non prosecution of some crimes. Look at the severity of the crimes. Look at the frustration of the police and some ADAs who disagreed with their bosses about the non prosecution policy. Those laws and crimes have societal safety issues. Not just paint scratches.
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Old 02-07-2022, 02:40 PM
 
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On Fox News they show a montage of Democrats who support it but then I read an article on Yahoo that states that it’s just a narrative Republicans are trying to push and most democrats don’t support it.
Most, in private, do not.

However, in order to satisfy the far left loons, who control the party, dem politicians must accept this stance without question.

While most sane people would never support "defunding the police", democrat politicians fear offending the far left and will never do anything to reverse those measures. Thus, they DO SUPPORT the policy by inaction and failure to lift a finger in protest.

When the far left loons are driving, everyone in the car is taken along for the ride, whether they like where they are going or not.
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Old 02-07-2022, 02:56 PM
 
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On Fox News they show a montage of Democrats who support it but then I read an article on Yahoo that states that it’s just a narrative Republicans are trying to push and most democrats don’t support it.
The police are an extremely powerful political and organized crime group. Republicans and Democrats arent really going to try to defund them.
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