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What this is about is the sovereignty and self-determination of Ukraine and all nations. It’s about Russia’s rejection of a post-Cold War Europe that is whole, free, and at peace.
This issue is all the doing of Vladimir Putin and The Kremlin. Russia continues to turn away from agreements that have kept the peace across the European continent for decades. And it continues to fixate on and threaten NATO--- a defensive, voluntary alliance that protects nearly a billion people across Europe and North America--- and threaten the governing principles of international peace and security that all the countries have a stake in defending.
Those doctrines & principles, that were established after 2 world wars and a long cold war, state one country does not have the right to change the borders of another by force. One country is not permitted to dictate to another the policies it wants or the choices it makes, including with whom to associate or join. And one country cannot make efforts and take actions to dominate and crush its neighbor nations.
World leaders agree "To allow Russia to violate those principles with impunity would drag us all back to a much more dangerous and unstable time, when the continent and Berlin were divided in two, separated by no man’s lands, patrolled by soldiers, with the threat of all-out war hanging over everyone’s heads. It would also send a message to others around the world that these principles are expendable, and that, too, would have catastrophic results."
The United States and our allies and partners in Europe are focused on what’s happening in Ukraine because it's bigger than a conflict between two countries. It’s bigger than Russia and NATO. It’s a crisis with global consequences, and it requires global attention and action. Russia threatening to invade Ukraine is not a liberal amped up issue and the USA is not the aggressor as some on this thread have suggested with their mimicking of the prolific propaganda pushed by the adversaries of America and the enemies of our western European allies.
In good faith the USA and our NATO allies have diplomatically been trying to address the continued and escalating "claims" Russia makes. Putin has not engaged in good faith, because his claims about weapons and bases are not genuine and the his false assertions are not the underlying reasons for the Kremlin's menacing manipulations and machinations.
What this is about is the sovereignty and self-determination of Ukraine and all nations. It’s about Russia’s rejection of a post-Cold War Europe that is whole, free, and at peace.
To use the words "sovereignty" and "self-determination" with Ukraine in the same sentence is laughable.
The US overthrew a legally elected president in Ukraine in 2014 because they knew he would be elected again for another term. The junta installed then attacked its own citizens who objected to the situation and fought back killing many thousands in a war.
Ukraine has not been free since and UKRAINIAN PEOPLE NEVER HAD A CHOICE AT ALL!!
Last edited by CaseyB; 02-14-2022 at 05:17 AM..
Reason: personal attack
And how is that different than the US, a nuclear power, who has only been expanding militarily ever since?
The US has military bases all around the world, has actually USED nukes and came close to use it a second time, is fueling conflicts all around the world, has been in wars for practically the entirety of its existence and killed millions in the past 2 decades?
What this is about is the sovereignty and self-determination of Ukraine and all nations. It’s about Russia’s rejection of a post-Cold War Europe that is whole, free, and at peace.
This issue is all the doing of Vladimir Putin and The Kremlin. Russia continues to turn away from agreements that have kept the peace across the European continent for decades. And it continues to fixate on and threaten NATO--- a defensive, voluntary alliance that protects nearly a billion people across Europe and North America--- and threaten the governing principles of international peace and security that all the countries have a stake in defending.
Those doctrines & principles, that were established after 2 world wars and a long cold war, state one country does not have the right to change the borders of another by force. One country is not permitted to dictate to another the policies it wants or the choices it makes, including with whom to associate or join. And one country cannot make efforts and take actions to dominate and crush its neighbor nations.
World leaders agree "To allow Russia to violate those principles with impunity would drag us all back to a much more dangerous and unstable time, when the continent and Berlin were divided in two, separated by no man’s lands, patrolled by soldiers, with the threat of all-out war hanging over everyone’s heads. It would also send a message to others around the world that these principles are expendable, and that, too, would have catastrophic results."
The United States and our allies and partners in Europe are focused on what’s happening in Ukraine because it's bigger than a conflict between two countries. It’s bigger than Russia and NATO. It’s a crisis with global consequences, and it requires global attention and action. Russia threatening to invade Ukraine is not a liberal amped up issue and the USA is not the aggressor as some on this thread have suggested with their mimicking of the prolific propaganda pushed by the adversaries of America and the enemies of our western European allies.
In good faith the USA and our NATO allies have diplomatically been trying to address the continued and escalating "claims" Russia makes. Putin has not engaged in good faith, because his claims about weapons and bases are not genuine and the his false assertions are not the underlying reasons for the Kremlin's menacing manipulations and machinations.
What this is about is the sovereignty and self-determination of Ukraine and all nations. It’s about Russia’s rejection of a post-Cold War Europe that is whole, free, and at peace.
Sorry buddy, you're the one that has fallen for the propaganda.
If the US cared about self-determination, explain what happened in Ukraine in 2014.
Actually, America and Russia have different ideologies that come into conflict with each other.
America insists on a unipolar world, wants to remain a planetary hegemon and a world policeman, talks about its exceptionalism, wants to impose on the whole world to live according to its "democratic values", constantly unleashes wars around the globe for its own profit, everything in the world should be subordinated to the interests of American oligarchs, so on and etc. Russia is the complete opposite of such American ideology. Russia announces a multipolar world as an objective situation on the planet, talks about mutually beneficial cooperation between countries, calls for peaceful coexistence based on mutual respect and mandatory consideration of the interests of other countries to avoid any war conflict, insists on compliance with international law by all countries, and so on. As the Russians say, "жить по чеснаку".
American and Russian ideologies have nothing to do with the political and economic system of the country. These ideologies relate to the confrontation of two spiritual and cultural systems in which the evolutionary fate of our humanity is being decided - whether we will live in the old world of meanness, lies, greed, national egoism, wars and blood until we disappear from the earth as a biological species, or humanity will be renewed and rise to a new stage of its evolutionary development and begin to live according to the laws of humanism. The ideological confrontation between America and Russia is a spiritual war for the better future of humankind.
That's not "ideology" - that's policy.
If you google what "ideology" is - here it comes.
1.
a system of ideas and ideals, especially one which forms the basis of economic or political theory and policy.
OR better else -
"An ideology (/ˌʌɪdɪˈɒlədʒi/) is a set of beliefs or philosophies attributed to a person or group of persons, especially as held for reasons that are not purely epistemic,[1][2] in which "practical elements are as prominent as theoretical ones."[3] Formerly applied primarily to economic, political, or religious theories and policies, in a tradition going back to Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, more recent use treats the term as mainly condemnatory.[4]"
That's not "ideology" - that's policy.
If you google what "ideology" is - here it comes.
1.
a system of ideas and ideals, especially one which forms the basis of economic or political theory and policy.
Ideology is understood more broadly and has more definitions. In the aspect I wrote about above, ideology is a worldview, a system of values, views and beliefs that guide a person or society along a certain path of development and a way of acting. The USA and Russia have different ideologies, i.e. ways of acting. Yes, both are capitalist countries but they have different goals and methods of their achievement which are opposite to each other. Re-read my previous post again.
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And yet another note - "жить по чеснаку" and Putin's Russia can't coexist in one sentence, since it's an oxymoron.
What does what you said have to do with Putin or any other president of Russia? "жить по чеснаку" is something that lives in the depths of the spirit of the Russian people and that has shaped their mentality, worldview, living ideology along with another Russian notion - "сила в правде". Influence of these things are noticeable in the political course of Russia too above its current capitalist nature. The American ideology of "living for your profit and interest no matter what" and the Russian ideology of "living by honesty" and "the strength is in truth" will always be in confrontation. These are two diametrically opposed systems of views, despite of sharing the same capitalist way of development.
Ideology is understood more broadly and has more definitions. In the aspect I wrote about above, ideology is a worldview, a system of values, views and beliefs that guide a person or society along a certain path of development and a way of acting. The USA and Russia have different ideologies, i.e. ways of acting. Yes, both are capitalist countries but they have different goals and methods of their achievement which are opposite to each other. Re-read my previous post again.
Bring them on then.
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What does what you said have to do with Putin or any other president of Russia? "жить по чеснаку" is something that lives in the depths of the spirit of the Russian people and that has shaped their mentality, worldview, living ideology along with another Russian notion - "сила в правде". Influence of these things are noticeable in the political course of Russia too above its current capitalist nature. The American ideology of "living for your profit and interest no matter what" and the Russian ideology of "living by honesty" and "the strength is in truth" will always be in confrontation. These are two diametrically opposed systems of views, despite of sharing the same capitalist way of development.
Seriously?
I am laughing my head off, but "living for your profit and interest no matter what" is precisely the logo of the "new Russians" that they live by, and this includes Putin and Co, all while you are telling me the fairy tales about the "depth of the spirit of the Russian people."
"Russian people" are all different you know, and when you are trying to ascribe these great features to them all indiscriminately, this comes across as one big joke.
Seriously?
I am laughing my head off, but "living for your profit and interest no matter what" is precisely the logo of the "new Russians" that they live by, and this includes Putin and Co, all while you are telling me the fairy tales about the "depth of the spirit of the Russian people."
"Russian people" are all different you know, and when you are trying to ascribe these great features to them all indiscriminately, this comes across as one big joke.
Sorry to say that, but your comments shows your ignorance on this subject. You have an ordinary philistine and materialistic view of things and only see the obvious surface by which you judge the depths of the Russian soul. The so called New Russians are not the cultural gene pool of the Russian people. But nevertheless, you generalize and evaluate the entire Russian people by this minority. Looks like you know very little about Russian culture, which has had an impact on the Russian mentality as well. But you like to argue about things that you don't know much about, trying to change the idea of the interlocutor in your own way. You once said that you communicate with the "Russian intelligentsia", from whom you get great ideas. Now I know who they are.
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