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Old 02-22-2022, 11:04 PM
 
Location: Cali
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Okay. But it doesn't answer the question.
What question did you ask me?
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Old 02-22-2022, 11:27 PM
 
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China will or will not touch Taiwan is all depending on how Biden deals with this Ukraine/Russia conflict
I don't think they will touch it. This is their perfect chance and they're doing nothing.
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Old 02-23-2022, 01:08 AM
 
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China could take Taiwan anytime it wants.
No, China cannot. Not 'anytime'. After Desert Storm, as an exercise, some of the planners of the war worked with some think tanks and turned their attention to the potential China amphibious invasion of Taiwan.

The PLA have no experience in amphibious operations. The fleet will be larger than that of D-Day and will take yrs to organize. The weather in the strait limit the deployment window to 2-3 weeks of the yr outside of the spring and winter months. The Taiwan landing sites are already known. Taiwanese intel agents will know of the buildup on mainland China, supported by real time satellite imagery supplied by the US. So essentially, the element of surprise is not possible.
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Old 02-23-2022, 09:19 AM
 
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No, there is not. Militarily speaking, the US is supreme. And I do not use that word lightly. Remove the nuclear options and no one can take on US, not even China.

I disagree. In terms of manpower and geographical advantages, the US cannot win in either Ukraine or Taiwan with conventional forces. Even the people who run war games in the Pentagon have said as much.
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Old 02-23-2022, 02:48 PM
 
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The so-called 'carrier killer' missiles are for a more detailed discussion. But as far as a war against either Russia or China goes, even if we lose a few aircraft carriers, they would lose much more.
Typical U.S aircraft has around 5,000 sailers. Not to mention the other ships that protect them. Hence the blood nose.
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Old 02-23-2022, 02:56 PM
 
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No, there is not. Militarily speaking, the US is supreme. And I do not use that word lightly. Remove the nuclear options and no one can take on US, not even China.
This is real life not the movies, you can’t “remove the nuclear option†from China or Russia.

The entire point of nuclear weapons is to even the playing field, which is why North Korea hasn’t been turned into a parking lot yet.
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Old 02-23-2022, 03:19 PM
 
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Taiwan is likely prepared for such a scenario and has contingency measures in place for it. Could they stave off an all out invasion? I doubt it. They would make the Chinese pay in blood for every inch of soil taken but the PRC isn't all too concerned since they have millions of bodies to throw at the Taiwanese. No, it would have to be halted at the beaches with reinforcements cut off via naval blockade.

Tsai Ing-Wen and her government have been increasingly dissociating themselves from the 1992 Consensus and are becoming more attuned to the idea that they're their own separate nation. They've seen what's happened to Hong Kong and I doubt very much they would like to follow in their footsteps. It's also estimated that 67% of Taiwanese feel that that's their only nationality and not Chinese.
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Old 02-23-2022, 03:24 PM
 
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Nations do not conquer other nations through brute military force anymore. That is an outdated way of thinking. The world is far too globalized and interconnected for military conquest to be a viable option (the last time one sovereign nation invaded another was 19 years ago, and it was the US doing the invading). Nowadays, nations assert their dominance primarily economically/financially. This is exactly what China is attempting to do through the belt and road initiative.

In the past, one of the major motivators for military conquest was economic gain. Now, it's obvious to everyone that wars are abominably expensive, and always a money losing proposition.
So Russia is not invading Ukraine right now?
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Old 02-23-2022, 04:29 PM
 
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No, China cannot. Not 'anytime'. After Desert Storm, as an exercise, some of the planners of the war worked with some think tanks and turned their attention to the potential China amphibious invasion of Taiwan.

The PLA have no experience in amphibious operations. The fleet will be larger than that of D-Day and will take yrs to organize. The weather in the strait limit the deployment window to 2-3 weeks of the yr outside of the spring and winter months. The Taiwan landing sites are already known. Taiwanese intel agents will know of the buildup on mainland China, supported by real time satellite imagery supplied by the US. So essentially, the element of surprise is not possible.
there wont be surpise sure, it doesn't mean they can't invade taiwan, especially if US doesn't get involved. both air/sea superiority is in china's favor. China is weight in cost/reward ratio, as long as taiwan doesn't formally declare independence, i dont think china will invade taiwan anytime soon.
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Old 02-23-2022, 04:33 PM
 
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Taiwan is likely prepared for such a scenario and has contingency measures in place for it. Could they stave off an all out invasion? I doubt it. They would make the Chinese pay in blood for every inch of soil taken but the PRC isn't all too concerned since they have millions of bodies to throw at the Taiwanese. No, it would have to be halted at the beaches with reinforcements cut off via naval blockade.

Tsai Ing-Wen and her government have been increasingly dissociating themselves from the 1992 Consensus and are becoming more attuned to the idea that they're their own separate nation. They've seen what's happened to Hong Kong and I doubt very much they would like to follow in their footsteps. It's also estimated that 67% of Taiwanese feel that that's their only nationality and not Chinese.
82% taiwaness prefer status quo, they know if DPP declare independence, china likely invade. also china mlrs rocket cover most of northern taiwan. taiwan is just too close to mainland
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