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Old 02-26-2022, 03:18 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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Hubris and exceptionalism. What the West wants is absolute rule, in a word, hegemony. No potential challenger. Russia is a stumbling block. Russia would be willing to exist in a multipolar world, the West is not.
Pois é.

 
Old 02-26-2022, 03:18 PM
 
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That professor is talking about that in the video.
He talks about the Monroe doctrine, which is supposed to keep any other countries out of the Western hemisphere. Why does the West think Russia has no right to such a zone to feel safe?
The Monroe Doctrine was about keeping the Americas from being colonized by European powers. That had nothing to do with what goes on IN Europe. The Russian-Ukrainian war, the Monroe Doctrine does not apply. Russia is the one trying to do the colonizing and invading. Russia is the aggressor in this case.
 
Old 02-26-2022, 03:18 PM
 
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Why does the West think Russia has no right to such a zone to feel safe?
Because they don't? Did Russie feel unsafe about the mighty Ukrainina military rolling over the border? The question yopu need to ask is this: Why does Russia think they have a right to dictate foreign policy to its neighbors? It's as simple as that. Ukraine (and Poland, and Romania, and Estonia etc.) have tried living under Russia's thumb and they didn't like it. They're taking what steps they can to prevent an encore, and good on them.

Take this "both sides are bad" relativism somewhere else. Europe arranged borders by warfare for thousands of years, and it sucked. For a few decades, it looked as if we'd broken that habit. Then - enter Putin.
 
Old 02-26-2022, 03:19 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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Hubris and exceptionalism. What the West wants is absolute rule, in a word, hegemony. No potential challenger. Russia is a stumbling block. Russia would be willing to exist in a multipolar world, the West is not.
Russia is not willing to accept a multipolar world. That's why they threaten and attack nations that never harmed them.
 
Old 02-26-2022, 03:20 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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I came across an interesting series of tweets by Riho Terras who has a verified Twitter account.

From Wikipedia: “Riho Terras is an Estonian politician and a former military officer who is serving as a member of the European Parliament since 1 February 2020. He was the Commander of the Estonian Defence Forces from 2011 to 2018. He was promoted to general in 2017.”

His tweets: https://twitter.com/RihoTerras/statu...37193346220038
So, he is citing an anonymous source or what?
 
Old 02-26-2022, 03:21 PM
 
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I came across an interesting series of tweets by Riho Terras who has a verified Twitter account.

From Wikipedia: “Riho Terras is an Estonian politician and a former military officer who is serving as a member of the European Parliament since 1 February 2020. He was the Commander of the Estonian Defence Forces from 2011 to 2018. He was promoted to general in 2017.”

His tweets: https://twitter.com/RihoTerras/statu...37193346220038
Interesting, Russia is probably weaker economically than most realized
 
Old 02-26-2022, 03:22 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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You are exactly wrong about that.

In claiming that, you agree to play a losing hand.

Ukraine means a whole lot more to Putin than to us. Putin holds a winning hand due to all the NG going west.

Assuming economic sanctions on someone like Putin will not work. The strategy to prevent this should have been figured out 13 months ago and executed prior to even the Afghanistan Horror.
A direct confrontation with Russia would be dangerous for both sides, that can easily lead to a mistake and a broader conflict. Sanctions are the next best choice, the world seems very unified against Russia's actions.

What exactly should they have done 13 months ago, any stronger action would have been used as an excuse and we would be blamed.

Ukraine may have no meaning to us but it certainly is important to Europe that they remain independent and not a puppet like Belarus.
 
Old 02-26-2022, 03:22 PM
 
Location: Brazil
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Russia is not willing to accept a multipolar world. That's why they threaten and attack nations that never harmed them.
Russia has not designed and pursued a scheme whereby they become the sole rulers as the West has. Russia and China, the only potential contenders, have become encircled, militarily, economically and ideologically, due to the calculations and schemes of the West. The solution would be simple, Ukraine would have a neutral status as Finland. But the objective is to confront, put pressure and finally cause the demise of Russia.

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Old 02-26-2022, 03:22 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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Because they don't? Did Russie feel unsafe about the mighty Ukrainina military rolling over the border? The question yopu need to ask is this: Why does Russia think they have a right to dictate foreign policy to its neighbors? It's as simple as that. Ukraine (and Poland, and Romania, and Estonia etc.) have tried living under Russia's thumb and they didn't like it. They're taking what steps they can to prevent an encore, and good on them.

Take this "both sides are bad" relativism somewhere else. Europe arranged borders by warfare for thousands of years, and it sucked. For a few decades, it looked as if we'd broken that habit. Then - enter Putin.
If that is your reasoning, why do you think the US has the right to dictate foreign policy not only to its neighbors, but to the entire world?
 
Old 02-26-2022, 03:25 PM
 
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If that is your reasoning, why do you think the US has the right to dictate foreign policy not only to its neighbors, but to the entire world?
Who said that besides you? Oh, funny, nobody!
The UN has voted.
China, India, a couple others abstained. EVERYBODY ELSE voted against Russia's invasion into Ukraine, an independent democratic nation.
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