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Where does it say a live born infant may be deliberately killed?
An abortion is a deliberate kill, the law legalizes abortion rights to perinatal death by individual or an HCP. If you want the lawyers view, I posted Harvard Lawyers analysis of the Bill in the first post.
Where does it say a live born infant may be deliberately killed?
Where it says perinatal. Perinatal is defined as just before or AFTER live birth and has been defined as anywhere from 7 days to a year, although most references say "a few weeks."
That part of the bill was for parents who have a baby with severe deformities (no brain, for instance). Some of these deformities can't be determined until just before or just after birth.
If the bill doesn't specifically say that, then it can also be interpreted as a baby that the mother no longer wants and doesn't want the hassle of putting up for adoption. Or a baby that looks like the wrong daddy.
It's not what the intention of the bill is. It's how the wording is legally defined.
It sure sounds like some posters either don't believe infanticide exists or truly believe a woman who gives birth and immediately drowns the baby in the toilet should be considered innocent of any wrongdoing.
Any baby who is killed immediately after birth was a "wanted child" who happened to come out grotesquely deformed? Yeah, I don't think so.
If the bill doesn't specifically say that, then it can also be interpreted as a baby that the mother no longer wants and doesn't want the hassle of putting up for adoption. Or a baby that looks like the wrong daddy.
It's not what the intention of the bill is. It's how the wording is legally defined.
Well, gee, maybe if that were the case we wouldn't have mothers drowning their kids in bathtubs, ya think? Or even better, maybe we wouldn't have abused kids or the over 400,000 kids we now have in foster care.
Not every child is thrilled that their parents didn't want them and let them live with that.
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Originally Posted by saibot
It sure sounds like some posters either don't believe infanticide exists or truly believe a woman who gives birth and immediately drowns the baby in the toilet should be considered innocent of any wrongdoing.
Any baby who is killed immediately after birth was a "wanted child" who happened to come out grotesquely deformed? Yeah, I don't think so.
Yeah, and I guess postpartum depression isn't a thing either.
I can just see you going up to the mother of a baby who will be born with no brain and telling her she's a murderer because the baby she wanted is going to die anyway after being born so she shouldn't abort it.
And just so you know, many of these babies that are born severely deformed are just taken off life support. They're not "murdered". Sheesh.
But if you think they are, you are more than welcome to support them while they're alive and pay the hospital bill afterwards. In other words, do something besides being critical of a situation someone else is going through that doesn't involve you one iota.
Where does the bill say a baby can be "put down by an HCP legally"?
Right. It doesn't and it's a ridiculous spin on what's a first draft bill anyway. Even as written now, it's absurd to think this opens the door to actual infanticide. This wouldn't remove all barriers to existing laws which prohibit murder. And if someone were to deliberately kill a perfectly healthy newborn and rely on as a defense, just the language in the proposed bill, they'd be sorely rethinking that decision in jail.
Right. It doesn't and it's a ridiculous spin on what's a first draft bill anyway. Even as written now, it's absurd to think this opens the door to actual infanticide. This wouldn't remove all barriers to existing laws which prohibit murder. And if someone were to deliberately kill a perfectly healthy newborn and rely on as a defense, just the language in the proposed bill, they'd be sorely rethinking that decision in jail.
That is a very naive viewpoint. Just to begin, how would you define "perfectly healthy"? Where on the continuum between "perfectly healthy" and "dead" does each human being, including newborns, lie? Lawyers would have a field day with this one.
The link I gave was about someone arrested for a stillbirth in CA.
I fixed this for you...
The link was about someone arrested for stillbirth in CA because it was caused by her drug use. In other words, she intentionally put the baby at risk by using illegal drugs.
Sort of changes the context don't you think?
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