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View Poll Results: Are electric vehicles the future of American personal travel?
Yes 202 44.99%
No 247 55.01%
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Old 04-10-2022, 10:36 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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And the value shopper let's all those technologies compete, drive prices down and innovation up and ends up with the good deal no matter how they go, so long as they let competition do its thing isntead of being herded by the forceful hand of government.
I could not agree more.

If it was me, I'd set up a competition.

I'd create a panel of lay-persons, auto-makers, engineers, scientists and others and they'd select the top 100 research entries, and then I'd give them $1 Million each as seed money for research and the let the chips fall where they may.

It might take 2-3 years or it might take 30-50 years, but someone will come up with something.

Our government sucks and their short-sightedness on space exploration sucks even worse. If we did Mars the way we did the Moon, we might have the whole puzzle in place, or at least pieces of the puzzle to build upon.

But, government dictating you're gonna use electric and nothing else is pretty damn stupid for any number of reasons.

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Some people just think gas/oil is part of their political belief system and they are required to attack it for some reason.
It should be attacked.

People are dying in Ukraine because of oil and natural gas.

They aren't the first, and they won't be the last.
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Old 04-10-2022, 10:38 AM
 
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CNG should be the future not electric cars.

Electric vehicles are not new. Trains, trollies and subways have run on electricity. The battery being able to hold enough electricity is what is new.

CNG is a renewable energy, clean burn, easy to switch cars over to it and can be easily produced. Heck most dumps are running methane from their dumps in their garbage trucks already.
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Old 04-10-2022, 11:56 AM
 
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CNG should be the future not electric cars.

Electric vehicles are not new. Trains, trollies and subways have run on electricity. The battery being able to hold enough electricity is what is new.

CNG is a renewable energy, clean burn, easy to switch cars over to it and can be easily produced. Heck most dumps are running methane from their dumps in their garbage trucks already.
IMO whatever the market and therefore consumers decide is the future, in the COMPLETE ABSENCE of ANY government interference, influence, or regulation, of any kind whatsoever, is the future.

What that is, I have no idea. The parasitic bureaucrats in DC will never let go of their pathetic visions of Utopia.
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Old 04-10-2022, 12:00 PM
 
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CNG should be the future not electric cars.

Electric vehicles are not new. Trains, trollies and subways have run on electricity. The battery being able to hold enough electricity is what is new.

CNG is a renewable energy, clean burn, easy to switch cars over to it and can be easily produced. Heck most dumps are running methane from their dumps in their garbage trucks already.
What would be the benefits of switching to CNG? Seems like it would just be an incremental improvement in emissions (but I am far from an expert on it). It doesnt seem like that would be enough of a motivation to switch.
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Old 04-10-2022, 02:54 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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One positive is that the cars are charging at night and not during the day. So they are able to more efficiently use the electric generating capacity.
And guess where nighttime electricity comes from.... gas and coal.
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Old 04-10-2022, 02:56 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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And the value shopper let's all those technologies compete, drive prices down and innovation up and ends up with the good deal no matter how they go, so long as they let competition do its thing isntead of being herded by the forceful hand of government.
Government regulations stifle innovation. Free markets accelerate innovation.
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Old 04-10-2022, 02:57 PM
 
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And guess where nighttime electricity comes from.... gas and coal.
Im glad that you were here to chime in and say something that everybody knows and doesnt have any impact on the conversation.
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Old 04-10-2022, 03:06 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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Im glad that you were here to chime in and say something that everybody knows and doesnt have any impact on the conversation.
I'm glad you were here to chime in and monitor this thread, but you are wasting people's time by posting drivel that doesn't add to the conversation.
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Old 04-10-2022, 03:07 PM
 
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I'm glad you were here to chime in and monitor this thread, but you are wasting people's time by posting drivel that doesn't add to the conversation.
And saying that electricity is primarilty generated using coal and natural gas is adding to the conversation? In your mind, do you think that people dont already know this?
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Old 04-10-2022, 03:27 PM
 
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CNG should be the future not electric cars
CNG is a renewable energy, clean burn, easy to switch cars over to it and can be easily produced. Heck most dumps are running methane from their dumps in their garbage trucks already.
Definitely not. It's twice as efficient to use the electricity generated form an NG fueled powerplant to run an electric car than it is to power an NG car. That includes the costs to transmit the power to the charger. Small ICE engines are extremely inefficient compared to a powerplant using the same fuel.
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