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Old 05-27-2022, 06:08 AM
 
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Originally Posted by hothulamaui View Post
A father who doesn’t want his seed aborted better make sure his partner is on the same page.
Grandparents are most likely not in the loop when a woman aborts.
With a miscarriage the pregnancy is likely to be public knowledge unlike a pregnancy that will be aborted.
Not necessarily. Are you unfamiliar with the widespread 'Shout Your Abortion!' campaign? What a selfish, self-centered attitude. Those who abort on demand and not due to medical necessity are much like the TX school shooter. He, too, didn't care who grieved over those he killed.

FWIW, many women regret and grieve the loss of life after they've aborted. Some are negatively affected by the experience their entire lives.

 
Old 05-27-2022, 06:20 AM
 
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Yes, banning abortion will increase poverty. And death. And crime.
That simply makes no sense. Abortion kills 900,000 per year (Guttmacher's number). How will restricting abortion kill more than that?
 
Old 05-27-2022, 06:43 AM
 
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That simply makes no sense. Abortion kills 900,000 per year (Guttmacher's number). How will restricting abortion kill more than that?
And who will raise the extra 900,000 kids? Social services, that's who.
 
Old 05-27-2022, 07:21 AM
 
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And who will raise the extra 900,000 kids?
Parents. Don't want to be a parent? then PROACTIVELY ACT to prevent it. 95% of all unintended pregnancies are due to the lack of use of birth control. What do people think will happen as a result? Hmmm???

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Social services, that's who.
FYI, women in the HIGHEST income group have the highest abortion rate, NOT the poor as many people mistakenly think. The women most likely to be able to raise a child are exactly the ones choosing to abort the most.

Abortion Rates by Income Level

Poverty Level: 8.6%
100%-200%: 7.8%
200%-300%: 16.2%
300%-400%: 8.0%
Over 400%: 31.9%

There's a HUGE statistical outlier there.

Figure 4, here: https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content..._pregnancy.pdf
 
Old 05-27-2022, 07:49 AM
 
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Yes because so called Pro-Life Republicans only care about life before 10 months old, if your a two year-old or a ten year-old or 50 year-sold they couldn't spare a dime or a prayer over improving or saving your life.
 
Old 05-27-2022, 07:54 AM
 
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Yes because so called Pro-Life Republicans only care about life before 10 months old, if your a two year-old or a ten year-old or 50 year-sold they couldn't spare a dime or a prayer over improving or saving your life.
Republicans are more likely to actually pay any federal income tax that funds any such programs. The lower-income levels and those on public assistance programs are predominantly Democrats. Take a look at any federal election exit poll and look at how each income level votes. Republicans are paying for that care both before and after birth. Democrats are not holding up their end of the "civilized society" bargain.
 
Old 05-27-2022, 09:34 AM
 
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Republicans are more likely to actually pay any federal income tax that funds any such programs. The lower-income levels and those on public assistance programs are predominantly Democrats. Take a look at any federal election exit poll and look at how each income level votes. Republicans are paying for that care both before and after birth. Democrats are not holding up their end of the "civilized society" bargain.
Care to cite a source for that?

I would bet most of those on generational welfare are non voters. Not Dems and not Repubs.
 
Old 05-27-2022, 09:38 AM
 
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I'm assuming that one of the main reasons women have abortions is for financial reasons. They simply can't afford to have a child or have another child. If abortions were to be banned with the exception of rape and sever medical reasons would we see an increase in child poverty if women no longer have the option for abortions outside of those two reasons? Would this cause a need to expand the welfare state to help support all of these children living with struggling parents?
Infanticide can also do a lot to lower poverty. Good idea?
While we are at it many the elderly take up too much resources.
 
Old 05-27-2022, 10:51 AM
 
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Care to cite a source for that?

I would bet most of those on generational welfare are non voters. Not Dems and not Repubs.
Look at any federal election exit poll. 2020, for example. Lower incomes vote Dem. Higher incomes vote Republican. And that split has been consistent for decades. On average, Democrats are takers, not contributors.

As for public assistance programs, as a representative of those enrolled in means-tested public assistance ptograms, Pew Research has looked into the political affiliation of Food Stamp recipients. The results are interesting.

https://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-co...amps_310px.png
 
Old 05-28-2022, 08:51 AM
 
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I'm assuming that one of the main reasons women have abortions is for financial reasons. They simply can't afford to have a child or have another child. If abortions were to be banned with the exception of rape and sever medical reasons would we see an increase in child poverty if women no longer have the option for abortions outside of those two reasons? Would this cause a need to expand the welfare state to help support all of these children living with struggling parents?
If abortions are banned, instead of expanding the welfare state, the state could provide free contraceptives. That would cost a lot less.

This assumes there would actually be less abortions, which no one knows for sure would be the case.
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