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Old 05-26-2022, 06:47 AM
 
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Originally Posted by InformedConsent View Post
Clearly, some of you are unaware of exactly which income group has the highest abortion rate, BY FAR...

Abortion Rates by Income Level

Poverty Level: 8.6%
100%-200%: 7.8%
200%-300%: 16.2%
300%-400%: 8.0%
Over 400%: 31.9%

There's a HUGE statistical outlier there.

Figure 4, here: https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content..._pregnancy.pdf

Poor women get extra public assistance benefits for each child they have, so it's actually a financial plus for them.

Keep in mind that women in the highest income level group are the LEAST likely to have a lack of access to birth control.
Here are some statistics that refute yours.
https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=a5ef1...pbmNvbWU&ntb=1

As for the patients who are getting abortions, the most recent CDC data collected shows women with family incomes less than 100% the federal poverty level accounted for almost half of all abortion patients in 2014.
https://abc13.com/abortion-cdc-data-women/11815941/

In a 2005 study, 73% of women undergoing an abortion said not being able to afford a baby now was a reason for the abortion. That number rose to 81% for women below the federal poverty line.1 And while the abortion rate for American women declined by 8% between 2000 and 2008, among poor American women it increased by 18%.
https://www.usccb.org/committees/pro...-vicious-cycle

Nearly half of abortion patients in the United States are poor and another 26% are low income. These data come from a nationally representative survey of nonhospital abortion patients in the United States.
https://www.guttmacher.org/infograph...and-low-income

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...-income-level/

Researchers also know that 75% of women who obtain abortions are low-income, with nearly half living below the federal poverty level.

Women who are denied abortions appear to endure far-reaching socioeconomic consequences, and this denial of services “exacerbates” the hardship of those already struggling to make ends meet, according to 2018 research published in the American Journal of Public Health.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/ne...vel-2019-05-17

 
Old 05-26-2022, 07:04 AM
 
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Again, a fetus IS protected by law. People are convicted of and sent to prison for committing fetal homicide. It's an unconstitutional fluke that women but no one else are allowed to kill their child in utero. Either anyone can kill a child in utero, or no one can. The Constitution's Equal Protection Clause prohibits the creation of special carve-out classes of those allowed legally to do what others cannot.
As you know, those laws are based on possession. They were enacted to try to decrease the high number of violence (assault and murder) of pregnant women which caused them to also lose their pregnancy.
The premise is not much different than in the day when a mans wife and children (even unborn) were considered his property and if someone caused them harm they were required to pay him restitution.
 
Old 05-26-2022, 07:06 AM
 
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You're trying to tell me, a stranger on the internet, how I would feel about being pregnant? *snort* Let me correct you about how I would really feel about it. Again, a parasite that needs to be aborted. Not a baby, not a child, not even a cutsey lil ole fetus. But something I would hate to have inside me, hate to carry for 9 months, hate to go through labor for, and absolutely hate to raise, not don't wish to raise, HATE to raise.

I am not maternal. Babies crying make my hackles raise, small noisy children make me want to break out the plastic bags for them to play with. You can "know" anything you want about me, but that doesn't make you right in any way, shape, or form.

You are aware that during the Bosnian war, women who were raped and gave birth to their rapists' children hung many of those newborn babies, right? Being pregnant and having a child doesn't always turn a woman into a mother who wants a baby.
And it is often those who feel as you (nothing wrong with the way you feel) that these random strangers want to insist become parents by denying abortion rights.
 
Old 05-26-2022, 07:25 AM
 
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Then, InformedConsent, since you regard all abortion as murder of a human being, wouldn't you quite passionately support passing a law that requires all women who get abortions to go to prison for the remainder of their child bearing years? So, a woman who gets an abortion at age 20 would have to go to prison for 30 years. After all, that way you get revenge against those women who get abortions, while at the same you get assurance that never again will they get another abortion ever again.
It's not about revenge. It's about saving 900,000 human lives per year (Guttmacher's number of abortions per year).

Lefties are all up in arms over the 21 deaths in TX, but don't give a damn about the 900,000 killed per year just because in 98.3% of those cases, letting them continue their lives was an INCONVENIENCE to someone else.
 
Old 05-26-2022, 07:29 AM
 
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Here are some statistics that refute yours.
https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=a5ef1...pbmNvbWU&ntb=1
You're easily confused by the fact that those stats are different. They DON'T compare abortion RATES by income group.

the fact remains that women in the highest income group have the highest abortion rate.
 
Old 05-26-2022, 07:31 AM
 
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As you know, those laws are based on possession. They were enacted to try to decrease the high number of violence (assault and murder) of pregnant women which caused them to also lose their pregnancy.
The premise is not much different than in the day when a mans wife and children (even unborn) were considered his property and if someone caused them harm they were required to pay him restitution.
Possession has nothing to do with it. The FACT is that killing a child in utero is criminal homicide.
 
Old 05-26-2022, 07:46 AM
 
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And it is often those who feel as you (nothing wrong with the way you feel) that these random strangers want to insist become parents by denying abortion rights.
What utter BS. That poster herself indicated she used just one of the MANY ways to prevent unwanted pregnancy. The result? No pregnancy.

You act as if there's nothing women can do to prevent pregnancy. Nothing could be further from the truth and you KNOW it.
 
Old 05-26-2022, 07:58 AM
 
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I'm assuming that one of the main reasons women have abortions is for financial reasons. They simply can't afford to have a child or have another child. If abortions were to be banned with the exception of rape and sever medical reasons would we see an increase in child poverty if women no longer have the option for abortions outside of those two reasons? Would this cause a need to expand the welfare state to help support all of these children living with struggling parents?

Just put them up for adoption.
 
Old 05-26-2022, 08:06 AM
 
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Just put them up for adoption.
Who pays for the 9 months of pregnancy? Doctor appointments, vitamins, having to eat healthy, special clothing, etc. Also possible time off from work if complications occur during pregnancy. And who pays for childbirth and time off work for recovery? Being pregnant and delivering a baby costs money and time off work. After going through all that cost and discomfort for 9 months, just give the baby away?
 
Old 05-26-2022, 08:08 AM
 
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Who pays for the 9 months of pregnancy? Doctor appointments, vitamins, having to eat healthy, special clothing, etc. Also possible time off from work if complications occur during pregnancy. And who pays for childbirth and time off work for recovery? Being pregnant and delivering a baby costs money and time off work. After going through all that cost and discomfort for 9 months, just give the baby away?
So why do women in the highest income group, those most likely to be able to afford the expense, have the highest abortion rate?
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