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View Poll Results: Do you support giving Ukraine F-16s
Yes 192 39.26%
No 250 51.12%
Unsure 47 9.61%
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Old 04-12-2024, 05:35 AM
 
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Trump has already effectively cut off aid to Ukraine..Him and his MAGA minions will gladly hand over Ukraine to Putin because they think we have no business helping out anyone except ourselves..in reality they are pacifists ******* that will cry like babies when Putin and Xi team up and come for your freedom and democracy..they have already taken firm root inside our own government with communists like MTG, Matt Goetz, Mike Johnson and czar Trump..keep your head in the sand and you know what's gonna happen to your ass..
Do you think you sound rational? MTG is a "communist?" MAGA are "pacifists" instead of tired of never ending wars. Etc.

You're becoming unhinged. Go get some grass under your feet this weekend.
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Old 04-12-2024, 05:37 AM
 
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(Yawns)... "estimates". The World Bank estimates, so and so..
And so what? You imply Russia civilians are doing well and getting better. That implication is ludicrous.


Their country is at war. Hundreds of thousands of former civilians have been killed or maimed and much of the civilian industry is now closed while the Kremlin figures out a way to stop itself from killing Ukrainian civilians. The Russian civilians are not "doing well" and expecting things to get better.
Russian companies are going bankrupt by the thousands.
The only source the World Bank uses is Russia itself. That source is, uh, a little suspect.
Why lie about it? You denied the fact that they did project that.

I'm just asking you to be honest. Why is that such a hard task for so many obsessed with Ukraine and more US interventionism?
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Old 04-12-2024, 05:55 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Only on Russia's terms.
Russia's terms are still better than to fight to the last Ukrainian.
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Old 04-12-2024, 06:08 AM
 
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Do you think you sound rational? MTG is a "communist?" MAGA are "pacifists" instead of tired of never ending wars. Etc.

You're becoming unhinged. Go get some grass under your feet this weekend.
Of all the names I have for MTG and MAGA, communists and pacifists aren't them. They are more like modern day Putin's Russia, not the former Gorbachev's Soviet Russia. Maybe when they take over they'll send anyone who's pro-Ukraine and anti-Trump to gulags in Alaska or North Dakota.
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Old 04-12-2024, 06:30 AM
 
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Update from the Institute for the Study of War (ISW) Ukraine/Russia war:

Key Takeaways:

Russian forces conducted another large-scale series of missile and drone strikes against Ukraine on the night of April 10 to 11 that caused notable and likely long-term damage to Ukraine’s energy infrastructure.

Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba stated that Ukraine needs more Patriot air defense batteries to protect both Ukraine’s population centers and frontline areas.

The Ukrainian Verkhovna Rada adopted a new mobilization law on April 11, a significant step in addressing Ukraine’s manpower challenges amid growing manpower constraints in Ukrainian units defending on the frontline.

US European Command (EUCOM) Commander and NATO Supreme Allied Commander Europe (SACEUR) General Christopher Cavoli reported that EUCOM and NATO are strengthening their ability to respond to the “chronic threat†that Russia poses to global stability and European security in hopes of deterring future Russian aggression against NATO.

Ukraine and Latvia signed a bilateral security agreement on April 11 providing for long-term Latvian assistance and security commitments to Ukraine.

Russian authorities conducted a counterterrorism operation and reportedly killed two suspected terrorists in the Republic of Kabardino-Balkaria on April 11.

Russian forces recently made confirmed advances near Kreminna, in the direction of Chasiv Yar west of Bakhmut, and in the Donetsk-Zaporizhia Oblast border area on April 11.

Russian exiled opposition outlet Novaya Gazeta Europe reported on April 11 that Russian courts have commuted sentences in over half of all criminal cases against Russian veterans and active-duty servicemen due to military service in Ukraine.


Full report:

https://www.understandingwar.org/bac...-april-11-2024
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Old 04-12-2024, 07:26 AM
 
Location: Port Charlotte FL
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simply put.....Ukraine is now losing this war because we are allowing it to happen..
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Old 04-12-2024, 08:27 AM
 
Location: Durham NC
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Russia's terms are still better than to fight to the last Ukrainian.

Of course they are and they would have been a heck of a lot better if they had negotiated in 2022. But that wasn't and isn't the plan. The West operates under the illusion they can defeat/weaken Russia. What they have found out and won't admit in public is that they are not ready militarily and most of the stuff they produce can't hold up to what Russia makes.
Putin said a few months back that if Trump thinks he could end this overnight he is incorrect. Meanwhile The West digs a deeper hole for themselves every day. Good luck.
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Old 04-12-2024, 08:29 AM
 
Location: Durham NC
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Of all the names I have for MTG and MAGA, communists and pacifists aren't them. They are more like modern day Putin's Russia, not the former Gorbachev's Soviet Russia. Maybe when they take over they'll send anyone who's pro-Ukraine and anti-Trump to gulags in Alaska or North Dakota.

Trump? Do you see what the current administration is doing? Ashley? Pay attention.
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Old 04-12-2024, 08:45 AM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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Trump has already effectively cut off aid to Ukraine..Him and his MAGA minions will gladly hand over Ukraine to Putin because they think we have no business helping out anyone except ourselves..in reality they are pacifists ******* that will cry like babies when Putin and Xi team up and come for your freedom and democracy..
Trump cannot "cut off aid to Ukraine" until he's president. If Trump was a pacifist, Putin would've invaded Ukraine when Trump was in office. Not when Obama and Biden were in office.

Trump laid out a very practical realistic plan for peace, and it works because peace is better than war. If Putin and Zelensky don't agree to Trump's terms of peace, this is only going to get uglier. Especially in the backdrop of the Gaza conflict.

Putin has endorsed Biden because he knows Biden will let Russia continue bombing everything. Not Trump. Trump will force both sides to come to peace.
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Putin says Biden is better for Russia than a Trump presidency
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/p...ncy-rcna138942
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Old 04-12-2024, 08:53 AM
 
Location: Durham NC
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Trump cannot "cut off aid to Ukraine" until he's president. If Trump was a pacifist, Putin would've invaded Ukraine when Trump was in office. Not when Obama and Biden were in office.

Trump laid out a very practical realistic plan for peace, and it works because peace is better than war. If Putin and Zelensky don't agree to Trump's terms of peace, this is only going to get uglier. Especially in the backdrop of the Gaza conflict.

Putin has endorsed Biden because he knows Biden will let Russia continue bombing everything. Not Trump.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/p...ncy-rcna138942
Putin has not endorsed Biden he just said he is easier to deal with as in no dealings at all and he can be sure this administration will do the dumbest thing at the worst time. Bomb a concert venue get the entire population behind the war effort. Brilliant huh?
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