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View Poll Results: Do you support giving Ukraine F-16s
Yes 192 39.26%
No 250 51.12%
Unsure 47 9.61%
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Old 04-16-2024, 08:40 AM
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I wouldn't call it giddy since it's more like expensive band-aids for gunshot wounds, but as always it's better than nothing.



Putin also has some beachfront property in Belarus for sale, lol
I imagine he has his villa on the coast in Italy for sale since he can't go there anymore.
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Old 04-16-2024, 09:09 AM
 
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China isn't sending arms to Russia. They may send jeeps and raw materials, but they are not sending arms. They are simply making money off Russia. They aren't part of the pro-Ukraine coalition, but they are not Russian allies either. They are war profiteers, doing what is in their interest.
Yeah. Russia was just plain dumb. But that's what happens when the Corner Office is surrounded by yes-men. The Guy In Charge rarely knows what is actually happening.
So they screwed up their profitable natural gas market, got Putin put on a wanted list, destroyed Russian airliners' ability to fly over foreign countries, and now they must buy whatever they can from China while paying in Yuan because China has no use for a bunch of rubles.

And do you think those fine Chinese merchants, fully aware that China is the only supplier, are going to sell to Russia at a discount?...... I wouldn't think so.



And all because of sanctions.
The Arctic LNG 2 plant was a very important venture.
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Old 04-16-2024, 12:43 PM
 
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You almost have to feel sorry for poor, stupid, greedy Russia.
Russia has the largest supply of natural gas in the world. By far. And they had taken advantage of it by building a web of natural gas pipelines throughout Europe. Europe was happy; Russia was happy. Once in a while, Russia would do something to irritate people, but generally they provided natural gas according to contracts.
And they screwed it up.

Putin simply followed the logical steps, trying to expand Russian economy.

And he keyed Ukraine into this plan, since Ukraine was facing default back in 2013.

EU offered peanuts with its proposed "association" deal, and shoddy "economic reforms". Putin offered a nice package, with big gas discounts and $3 billion loan to patch Ukrainian economy right away.

"Yanukovich walked away from the trade deal because it lacked a hoped-for stand-by loan of as much as $15 billion from the International Monetary Fund. The global lender was not prepared to lend new money without gas-price reforms."


https://www.businessinsider.com/risk...crisis-2013-12

But then Putin discovered that US had different plans for Ukraine anyway.

And THIS was the major source of the conflict.

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Europe has now switched to LNG and those expensive natural pipelines will never be used again.

Russia can't pivot and ship gas somewhere else because there are no significant pipelines going to other markets. And now we hear Russia's big LNG project, Arctic LNG 2, has failed. The investors have pulled out, the shippers cannot ship, and proper legal documents have been filed telling customers that Arctic LNG 2 will not be able to deliver. That was a $10B project. Gone. LINK
All THAT happened much later, and we know by now how and why, don't we?

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Our Russian-sympathizing posters want to measure success by the few blocks of some small town being won by Russia's army.
Russia's failure is much, much larger than their success.
"Russian sympathizers" are simply aware of details of this conflict, that SOME love to ignore.

Franklin Templeton in $5 billion Ukraine debt gamble
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Old 04-16-2024, 01:59 PM
 
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Russia not doing badly economically. Definitely in no danger of collapsing:

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-68823399
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Old 04-16-2024, 06:36 PM
 
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If you want some fun..
Here's video of the so called Tsar-Mangal tank. It's cruising through Krasnogorovka at will. Weird name and appearance is because of the BPLA protective "shell" atop of it.

https://t.me/yurasumy/14608

Same time it has mine field clearing attachment in the front.

No, Orcs will not jump from the screen if you open link. It's just Telegram.
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Old 04-16-2024, 07:45 PM
 
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Russia not doing badly economically. Definitely in no danger of collapsing:

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-68823399
Yep.

The International Monetary Fund says they think Russia's economy will grow faster than all advanced economies including the US.
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Old 04-16-2024, 09:36 PM
 
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The International Monetary Fund says they think Russia's economy will grow faster than all advanced economies including the US.
They "think" it will?

Russia's economy is $2.4T - the size of Mexico. You are screaming with joy and clapping your little hands over a 3% growth?
You could add Russia's entire $2.4T GDP to America's $28T and no one would even notice.
In 1989, the official GDP of the Soviet Union was $2.5T; the GDP of the United States was $4.9T.
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Old 04-16-2024, 09:46 PM
 
Location: Durham NC
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I imagine he has his villa on the coast in Italy for sale since he can't go there anymore.
That says more about Italy following along with the brain dead West than it does about Putin. Is Zurich Insurance allowed to use the Z in their logo yet or are they still playing along with all the bullschiff? Children with room temp IQ leading the used to be free world.

Quite the about face in the narrative the piano player is pushing now. No more we winning send more. Now we losing bad send much more.
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Old 04-16-2024, 11:14 PM
 
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That's the point I challenge. "The west talked them out of it" is the talking point everyone uses. Who in "the west" talked to "who" in Ukraine?
And why would Ukraine entertain such an insanely lopsided deal, which only insures their destruction at a later date because they have agreed to stay weak against an enemy who has already violated the last agreement!?


It was crazy. And it arranged for Russia to defeat Ukraine later. So I don't think "the west" needed to talk anyone out of rejecting that deal.
Boris Johnson and Zelensky. I thought everyone knew this.
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Old 04-16-2024, 11:17 PM
 
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Yes they are. It's all over the media.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/04/12/p...ing/index.html


https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ansion-us-says



US intelligence begs to differ.


https://www.politico.eu/article/chin...hanghai-h-win/

I'm going to have to side with US intelligence over a random CD poster.
US media, whom we can trust 100% right? Especially when it comes to reporting on China or other geopolitical rivals, right?
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