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View Poll Results: Do you support giving Ukraine F-16s
Yes 190 39.42%
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Old 09-11-2022, 08:24 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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https://storymaps.arcgis.com/stories...de641cf64bd375

This map shows that Russia has completely abandoned northern Kharkiv province and has nearly been driven out of all of eastern Kharkiv. And they are losing some of that ground near Lysychansk that they spent weeks gaining.
So does this time lapse GIF. I lost count how many times I've watched it.

https://twitter.com/georgewbarros/st...40797521678338
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Old 09-11-2022, 08:40 PM
 
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It is so typical of Russia to attack infrastructures and civilian centers in response to Ukraine's advances. Our soldiers are fleeing like dogs but look we can still bomb your cities.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNxDewgHkpA
Very dumb tactics indeed...

I notice the Putin lover trolls and Ruskateers are very silent lately...
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Old 09-11-2022, 08:55 PM
 
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Time will show. Won battle equals not won war. UAF employed new, mobile light units, strike and run, tactic that geared towards the positional war Russians could not counter fast enough. But, as I type, heads are flying in Russian high command and they WILL reorganize and countermeasure. never forget, Kharkiv is on RUSSIAN BOARDER.

As the result, NOW, pacifists in Russia lost any merit, as country invasion is at stake. Putin might as well do what he mentioned months ago - start REAL war. Not this volunteer game.
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Old 09-11-2022, 09:14 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Time will show. Won battle equals not won war. UAF employed new, mobile light units, strike and run, tactic that geared towards the positional war Russians could not counter fast enough. But, as I type, heads are flying in Russian high command and they WILL reorganize and countermeasure. never forget, Kharkiv is on RUSSIAN BOARDER.

As the result, NOW, pacifists in Russia lost any merit, as country invasion is at stake. Putin might as well do what he mentioned months ago - start REAL war. Not this volunteer game.
Too late....Ukraine has had a huge political win with the west on this offensive. Arms flowing in will only accelerate. If Russia calls for National Mobilization it's Putin's head on a block and it would be at least 8 months before you would see any of those troops...meanwhile Ukraine will fortify their positions in their own freaking country.

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Old 09-11-2022, 09:32 PM
 
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Very dumb tactics indeed...

I notice the Putin lover trolls and Ruskateers are very silent lately...
Large parts of Ukraine are without powers. I am worried about impact to not only Ukrainian military but to civilians as well. The question is which side can survive and operate in darkness better? Lack of powers brings hardship to civilians. Will they endure and stay the course? Or will they fracture and lose the will to fight?
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Old 09-11-2022, 09:39 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Time will show. Won battle equals not won war. UAF employed new, mobile light units, strike and run, tactic that geared towards the positional war Russians could not counter fast enough. But, as I type, heads are flying in Russian high command and they WILL reorganize and countermeasure. never forget, Kharkiv is on RUSSIAN BOARDER.

As the result, NOW, pacifists in Russia lost any merit, as country invasion is at stake. Putin might as well do what he mentioned months ago - start REAL war. Not this volunteer game.
That is precisely why the sanctions and boycotts must remain in place until Russia's economy is thoroughly destroyed with their army, navy and air force in unmaintained tatters, and their automotive, air travel, and railroad industries lie abandoned and rusting.
Russia cannot be trusted in any agreement and should not be permitted to have an economy that affords them any amount of power whatsoever.
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Old 09-11-2022, 09:57 PM
 
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That is precisely why the sanctions and boycotts must remain in place until Russia's economy is thoroughly destroyed with their army, navy and air force in unmaintained tatters, and their automotive, air travel, and railroad industries lie abandoned and rusting.
Russia cannot be trusted in any agreement and should not be permitted to have an economy that affords them any amount of power whatsoever.
Agreed....this is when the sanctions really began to have an impact.
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Old 09-11-2022, 10:12 PM
 
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Todays update...HIMARS were the real game changer

https://www.understandingwar.org/bac...t-september-11

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Ukrainian forces have inflicted a major operational defeat on Russia, recapturing almost all Kharkiv Oblast in a rapid counter-offensive.

The Ukrainian success resulted from skillful campaign design and execution that included efforts to maximize the impact of Western weapons systems such as HIMARS. Kyiv’s long discussion and then an announcement of a counter-offensive operation aimed at Kherson Oblast drew substantial Russian troops away from the sectors on which Ukrainian forces have conducted decisive attacks in the past several days. Ukraine’s armed forces employed HIMARS and other Western systems to attack Russian ground lines of communication (GLOCs) in Kharkiv and Kherson Oblasts, setting conditions for the success of this operation. Ukrainian leaders discussed the strikes in the south much more ostentatiously, however, successfully confusing the Russians about their intentions in Kharkiv Oblast. Western weapons systems were necessary but not sufficient to secure success for Ukraine. The Ukrainian employment of those systems in a well-designed and well-executed campaign has generated the remarkable success of the counter-offensive operations in Kharkiv Oblast.

The Ukrainian recapture of Izyum ended the prospect that Russia could accomplish its stated objectives in Donetsk Oblast.

The loss of Izyum dooms the initial Russian campaign plan for this phase of the war and ensures that Russian advances toward Bakhmut or around Donetsk City cannot be decisive (if they occur at all).

There is no basis for assessing that the counter-offensive announced in Kherson Oblast is merely a feint, however.

The Ukrainian pressure in Kherson combined with the rapid counter-offensive in Kharkiv presents the Russians with a terrible dilemma of time and space.

The current counter-offensive will not end the war

Ukraine has turned the tide of this war in its favor.

Russian officials and milbloggers involved with the Russian war in Ukraine are increasingly blaming the Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) for Russian failures on the frontlines.

The Kharkiv Oblast counter-offensive is already damaging the Kremlin’s relationship with the Russian MoD, further alienating Putin from the higher military command.

The Russian defeat in the Battle of Kharkiv Oblast will only intensify public criticism of Shoigu and the MoD, which may lead to personnel changes.

Ukrainian authorities shut down the last active reactor at the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant (ZNPP) on September 11.

Russian forces conducted a wave of precision strikes against Ukrainian energy infrastructure on September 11 causing widespread power outages.
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Ukrainian forces have inflicted a major operational defeat on Russia, recapturing almost all Kharkiv Oblast in a rapid counter-offensive

Ukrainian authorities shut down the last active reactor at the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant on September 11.

The Russian Ministry of Defense confirmed that Russian forces are withdrawing from positions throughout all but easternmost Kharkiv Oblast.

Russian milbloggers have defined the Oskil River that runs from Kupyansk to Izyum as the new frontline following Russian withdrawal from positions in eastern Kharkiv Oblast.

Ukrainian forces have advanced into Vovchansk and Velykyi Burluk, just south of the international border.

Ukrainian forces continue to fight positional battles and conduct strikes on Russian military, logistics, and transportation assets along the Southern Axis.

Russian forces conducted limited ground attacks in the Avdiivka and Bakhmut areas.

Russian authorities are continuing to pull combat power from various external sources to support operations in Ukraine and are struggling to compensate volunteers.

The success of recent Ukrainian counteroffensives likely contributed to the Russian announcement that annexation referenda will be indefinitely postponed.
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The success of the Ukrainian counteroffensives is likely impacting the will and ability of Russian authorities to conduct annexation referenda. Latvia-based Russian-language outlet Meduza reported that the Kremlin decided to indefinitely postpone annexation referenda of all occupied Ukrainian territories as of September 11.[38] Meduza cited sources close to the Kremlin that claimed that the Kremlin only decided to postpone annexation referenda due to the counteroffensive and that the Kremlin pulled its political technologists who had been organizing the referenda in Kharkiv and Zaporizhia Oblasts back to Russia.[39] Ukrainian Mayor of Melitopol Ivan Fedorov stated that fewer than 10% of Melitopol residents (where the current total population is roughly 50% of the pre-war population) are willing to vote in an annexation referendum and that continued partisan movements and Ukrainian military victories are driving Russian authorities to postpone the referenda.[40]

Occupation authorities may be fleeing from occupied Ukraine to Russia as Ukrainian forces advance towards Russian rear areas. Mariupol Mayoral Adviser Petro Andryushenko stated that Donetsk People’s Republic (DNR) Head Denis Pushilin and DNR Mayor of Mariupol Konstantin Ivashchenko were supposed to attend a military parade in Mariupol on September 11 but did not and that their current whereabouts are unknown.[41] Ukrainian Luhansk Oblast Head Serhiy Haidai stated that occupation authorities are fleeing from occupied territories, including those that Russian proxy authorities have held since 2014.[42] Ukrainian Mayor of Enerhodar Dmytro Orlov posted a screenshot of a Telegram post made by an unspecified occupation authority that called on civilian collaborators to leave occupied territories for Russia.[43]
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Old 09-11-2022, 10:33 PM
 
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Destroyed power stations brings darkness to parts of Ukraine.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_xkhXKlY4A
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Old 09-11-2022, 10:52 PM
 
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Destroyed power stations brings darkness to parts of Ukraine.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_xkhXKlY4A
Barbarians. Destroying what they cannot have.

Rather liked Zelensky's take:

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Do you still think you can intimidate, break us, make us into action?
Did you really not understand anything?
Didn't understand who we are? What are we for? What are we talking about?
Read it on your lips:
Without gas or without you? Without you.
Without or without the light? Without you.
Without water or without you? Without you.
Without food or without you? Without you.
Cold, hunger, darkness and thirst - for us not as scary and deadly as your "friendship and brotherhood".
But history will put everything in place.
And we will with gas, lights, water and food.. and WITHOUT you!
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