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You may need to ask your parent or grandparent, but life before WW2 was a very different life post WW2. After 5 years of war, USA became one of 2 global powers and the leader of the European powers. What followed was the 50s and increasing economic prosperity and the idea of 'American exceptionalism.'
But what the "lord giveth and the lord taketh away" as the saying goes.
Just imagine if in a few short years, due in part to our pushing this folly in Ukraine, we collapse back to just a regional power in the Western hemisphere. The booming years of the 50s would be balanced out by a protracted depression, the likes of which would be worse than the "Great Depression." We would have no great fiscal tools at our disposal due to all the debt burden and loss of primacy of the USD.
I expect, just like the Iraq war, where there was mindless patriotism and tone deaf chants of
- Saddam has weapons of mass destruction
- Saddam is part of the war on terrorism
- We fight them in Iraq so we don't fight them here
- Saddam is a really bad mean person!
That when the dust settles, being for this war will be so embarrassing, most of you will pretend you never were actually for the war.
But the same neocons who got us into Iraq, got us into this one.
I for one will definitely be around in the future and I will read the posts written by those who have, since late February, maligned Russia while supporting Ukraine, called for the ruination of Russia, said Ukraine was winning, etc.
You may need to ask your parent or grandparent, but life before WW2 was a very different life post WW2. After 5 years of war, USA became one of 2 global powers and the leader of the European powers. What followed was the 50s and increasing economic prosperity and the idea of 'American exceptionalism.'
But what the "lord giveth and the lord taketh away" as the saying goes.
Just imagine if in a few short years, due in part to our pushing this folly in Ukraine, we collapse back to just a regional power in the Western hemisphere. The booming years of the 50s would be balanced out by a protracted depression, the likes of which would be worse than the "Great Depression." We would have no great fiscal tools at our disposal due to all the debt burden and loss of primacy of the USD.
I expect, just like the Iraq war, where there was mindless patriotism and tone deaf chants of
- Saddam has weapons of mass destruction
- Saddam is part of the war on terrorism
- We fight them in Iraq so we don't fight them here
- Saddam is a really bad mean person!
That when the dust settles, being for this war will be so embarrassing, most of you will pretend you never were actually for the war.
But the same neocons who got us into Iraq, got us into this one.
"We" are in a folly in Ukraine only if "we" means Russians.
The west is sending weapons and funds to help stop aggression so we don't have to go with war with Russia ourselves over Estonia or Latvia or Lithuania or Poland.
Officially, those are not Russian troops, but Ossetians and Circassians. Of course, funded and trained by Russia. And they're protected by Russia, Georgian government knows if they invade, Russia will respond.
There ARE Russian army troops there. Regular army. Even Russians don't deny that. There have been articles about that since long before this war. There have been reports of Putin drawing down his troops to send to Ukraine.
Russian troops have never left Georgia. They are still occupying those regions. There are fewer than before because they had to send some to be killed in Ukraine.
The former western puppet Georgian President Saakashvili and strait up mental case, is now the Governor of Odessa, Ukraine. What a coincidence, aye? How often to we see Presidents of one county magically become governors of regions in an entirely different country?
Well, we must take care of our puppets sometimes, as everyone needs a job.
Check this dude out …. never knew there were flavored ties. Look at this lunatic
There ARE Russian army troops there. Regular army. Even Russians don't deny that. There have been articles about that since long before this war. There have been reports of Putin drawing down his troops to send to Ukraine.
Russia has a reason, but expansionism is not it. If you insist on what you THINK is true as opposed to what one may learn from studying history, it's your choice, but this post (beyond the "Russia has a reason" part) is completely incorrect.
If someone makes a ridiculous statement like "Canada is pushing for war' for supporting Ukraine while the Russian propagandists still keep talking nonsense that the Ukrainians are Nazis, that would mean that Canada is supporting Nazis!
And for that matter, Britain and France and almost every Democracy, from liberals to conservatives and from North America, Europe to Asia. Yeah, we all are supporting Nazis instead of the innocent Russia invaders.
But "Sprawling Homeowner", isn't Russia sprawling enough already? I would suggest working on improving the lives of the Russian people so they want to move back to Russia voluntarily instead of invading other countries to annex them. Why not choose peace and build up the Russian economy?
If someone makes a ridiculous statement like "Canada is pushing for war' while the Russian propagandists still keep talking nonsense that the Ukrainians are Nazis, that would mean that Canada is supporting Nazis.
And for that matter, Britain and France and almost every Democracy, from liberals to conservatives and from North America, Europe to Asia. Yeah, we all are supporting Nazis instead of the innocent Russia invaders.
So "Sprawling Homeowner", isn't Russia sprawling enough? I would suggest working on improving the lives of the Russian people so they want to move back to Russia voluntarily instead of invading other countries to annex them.
Well the Azov Battalion and much of Ukrainian nationalism has glamorized Nazism. I think we can all google before 2022 and see the number of articles written about this, even in pro-Western sources.
I don't really care though. I'm just surprised, you're surprised. We champion women rights, LGBT issues, etc and some of our allies include countries that prosecute and proscribe the death penalty for these very same groups of people.
Russia has a reason, but expansionism is not it. If you insist on what you THINK is true as opposed to what one may learn from studying history, it's your choice, but this post (beyond the "Russia has a reason" part) is completely incorrect.
Putin IS Russia. Russia IS Putin. Russia does not have a truly representative government. The key decisions (like attacking a foreign country for example and thereby condemning thousands of citizens to their deaths) are made by this one man whose decisions are final and beyond appeals.
Putin can surprise his country one day, and tell them they are at war. The people just accept it, they have attacked the other country and it is a fait accompli.
Putin is the Sun King of Russia, and he doesn't think Ukraine is a real country.
"Ukraine has never had its own authentic statehood. There has never been a sustainable statehood in Ukraine." Vladimir Putin | 2022
“You have to understand, George. Ukraine is not even a country.” Vladimir Putin | 2008
Putin has been singing this song for a very long time, and he has absolute power over life and death in Russia.
Well the Azov Battalion and much of Ukrainian nationalism has glamorized Nazism. I think we can all google before 2022 and see the number of articles written about this, even in pro-Western sources.
I don't really care though. I'm just surprised, you're surprised. We champion women rights, LGBT issues, etc and some of our allies include countries that prosecute and proscribe the death penalty for these very same groups of people.
We speak with a forked tongue.
Even if that is true about the Azov Battalion and Ukranian nationalists, is has been greatly exaggerated by Russian hardliners. There are no doubt extreme hardliners on both sides but they don't represent the majority.
The evidence is so many ethnic Russians living in Ukraine are fighting for Ukraine. They would not be doing that if they felt they were being discriminated against or in danger from "Nazis". More evidence is the poor morale of many Russian soldiers - they were told they would be liberators and instead they realized it was not true. The Russian soldiers do not want to fight the Ukrainians.
"...Major gas-exporter Qatar has sought a largely neutral stance on the conflict but several moves by the Gulf Arab state have recently irked Moscow, the source told Reuters news agency.
Sheikh Tamim called Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on Monday hours after explosions rocked several Ukrainian cities, including the capital Kyiv. Qatar has criticised Russia’s annexation of Ukrainian territory and was one of eight non-NATO countries to join a NATO meeting earlier this year, the source said.
Russia had shown its displeasure by interfering in key Qatar dossiers, the source said, citing as examples its delivery of humanitarian aid in Syria and its role in facilitating talks between world powers on Tehran’s nuclear programme...."
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