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Read my posts. I have acknowledge the achievements the Ukrainians have made many times. I don't have a problem with that. Unlike certain people who simply cannot acknowledge that the war is not going entirely bad for the Russians. Despite all of the help the world has been given Ukraine, the Russians still occupy. somewhere around 18% of their land. And at the rate the Ukrainians are taking it back, it will take them about 25 or 30 years to liberate all of their land. That is if the world continues to ship them weapons at the same rate for that long.
Lets analyze that.
Assuming a constant rate, they seem to be reclaiming about 3000 sq miles/month. Russia is taking about 3 square miles/month, so we can pretty much disregard that as a factor. Russia occupies about 42,000 sq miles, so at this pace Ukraine will retake the country in 13 months. Only about 25-30 times faster than you state.
Are you a real person, or a Russian propaganda bot?
are ontrack to capture the city of Bakhmut which has a population of 70,000, and the Ukrainians seem helpless to stop those advances
Hah I can't believe people are still pointing at Bakhmut, Russia has been trying to that one village for months while Ukraine sweeps across thousands of kilometers. When you say on track that implies things are going according to their planned timeline, you really believe that back in July the Russian MOD outlined plans to take Bakhmut by November? Right on track Colonel General, at this rate we shall be knocking on the city gates of Kiev by 2037.
Either way bookmarked, it will be amusing to see how this "on track" to ages right along with your previous touting of 300k new Russian conscripts changing the game.
What are we going to do to the Russians that we haven’t done? Scold them some more for dropping mustard gas on Kiev?
Let’s be honest here. You war mongers don’t want to talk about what are we going to do to Russia if they escalate by using chemical weapon against Ukraine. It’s an uncomfortable and not popular topic for war mongers
I have already said I have no idea what the response will be. It's not up to me.
The Russian GDP has been dropping ever since they invaded Crimea and sanctions first started. In the end it will be boycotts (1200 companies have left Russia) and world wide sanctions that will destroy the Russian economy and make it impossible for them to make international mischief.
Hopefully, Putin will go down in history as the man who destroyed Russia.
Assuming a constant rate, they seem to be reclaiming about 3000 sq miles/month. Russia is taking about 3 square miles/month, so we can pretty much disregard that as a factor. Russia occupies about 42,000 sq miles, so at this pace Ukraine will retake the country in 13 months. Only about 25-30 times faster than you state.
Are you a real person, or a Russian propaganda bot?
This is what we call a false equivalency. Russia is on its heels...they only thing it can do is "regroup" and threaten to use nuclear weapons.
What are we going to do to the Russians that we haven’t done? Scold them some more for dropping mustard gas on Kiev?
Let’s be honest here. You war mongers don’t want to talk about what are we going to do to Russia if they escalate by using chemical weapon against Ukraine. It’s an uncomfortable and not popular topic for war mongers
This isn't the gotcha question you think it is. We can all come up with hypotheticals that support our points, and then claim victory when somebody does not address them. For example...
What are you going to do if the US and others stop supplying Ukraine with weapons and Russia annexes the entire country? Then they annex Armenia, Azerbaijan, Finland, Kazakhstan, and others, reforming the USSR? Then they roll into Iran, Iraq and Kuwait, dominating world oil production?
What are you going to do if China sees that the US is unwilling to support neutral or allied countries and they annex Taiwan, South Korea, Philippines and Japan?
What are you going to do when the conventional military support allows Ukraine to maintain its independence and join NATO, causing the collapse of Putin's autocracy and resulting in a democratic wave overtaking Russia?
Why don't you address what will happen if biological, chemical and nuclear weapons are never used, and the war drags on for decades? Or ends next spring? Or results in a ceasefire with an independent Donbas state? Or any number of other options.
They can retreat to their original borders and call a ceasefire.
They can stop objecting to Ukraine joining NATO.
They can negotiate a ceasefire with some neutral position for Donbas.
They can continue to fight and get beaten.
They can continue to fight, fully mobilize for war, and defeat Ukraine conventionally.
Won't work...they don't have the logistics to pull off a partial mobilization...how can they pull off a full mobilization. It would take years. They can't adequately train, house, feed, clothe or arm their recruits. They have a completely dysfunctional military command structure. It takes years of investment and reform to change a military command structure. Juxtaposed to Ukraine's current total mobilization and developing (through western training) a highly effective NCO Command structure fighting battles on their own soil. Russia's total mobilization is simply no longer a true threat other than throwing warm bodies at the front line.
The goal was to take over Ukraine, to eliminate it's 'renegade' government and absorb it.
THAT has been Putin's goal. Putin's goal IS Russia's goal ... they are one and the same.
Quite clearly. One does not make a "neutral", "demilitarized" country by annexing 5 of its provinces. Annexing provinces is how you take over a country.
Ok. Over 84 days they advanced by 5 miles. Approximately 100 yards/day. Call it 10 square miles overall. Meanwhile Ukraine recovered 2,300 square miles in early September alone, and so far in October about 1,200 square miles
Ukraine took back an entire province, and portions of 2-3 others, Russia has almost but not quite taken one small city, and you think that they are performing equally?
Ukraine is recovering 350 times as much land as Russia is taking, and you think they are performing equally?
You are a poor propagandist for Russia, but then again, you do not have much to work with.
No it's 5 miles in a straight line. Maybe 50 - 75 square miles.
Again it doesn't matter how little, as long as they are losing even a little bit of territory they will never be able to get the Russians out of their country. Not in a year, not in 10 years, not in a 100 years, never.
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I have already said I have no idea what the response will be. It's not up to me.