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Old 07-10-2022, 06:26 AM
 
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Did you actually see that? Where? Was it more than one person?
https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/24/polit...ons/index.html


I’ve also seen videos of people screaming about how they love killing babies. How they love abortion. I’ve seen comments on this board saying that it’s not a life not it takes it’s first breath. I’ve seen comments that it is not a human until the umbilical cord is cut.

 
Old 07-10-2022, 06:33 AM
 
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Not all unintended pregnancies are unwanted.

Of women seeking abortion, about half were using contraception in the cycle in which they conceived.
Per Guttmacher, that's not quite true.

Unintended Pregnancies

54% No use of birth control whatsoever
41% Inconsistent use of birth control (defined as failing to use bc each and every time they had sex)

Yes, women KNOW when they and their partners are not using birth control each and every time as they themselves reported the inconsistent use.
 
Old 07-10-2022, 06:37 AM
 
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The 95% figure you repeat over and over and over includes contraceptive failures and pregnancies that are mistimed. They are not all due to "VOLUNTARILY participating in unprotected sex".
Nope. The percent of women with unintended pregnancies who were consistently using birth control (each and every time) is only 5%. That includes all forms of birth control, even condoms.

Unintended pregnancy CAN be prevented the vast majority of times. The problem is lack of use of birth control or not using it each and every time.
 
Old 07-10-2022, 06:50 AM
 
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Both of you who feel that way have a point, but it's still based on the definiton of "a human life." Until that developing embryo can survive on its own, you are on shaky ground....
Incorrect. Fetal homicide laws legally recognize a pre-born baby at any stage of development as a human life. That legal precedent has already been set.

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Meanwhile, the vast majority of Anti-Choice advocates base their opinion on religious beliefs....I get the impression that they somehow conflate "legal abortion" with a requirement to have an abortion. They can still exercise their religious beliefs personally without imposing them on everyone else. Why can't they understand that?
Religion is just one reason why some may be opposed to abortion. Other reasons include ethical (NAP, as I've already stated), legal (fetal homicide is felony murder, abortion yields the same result: death), and medical (e.g., Hippocratic Oath: First, do no harm - well... medical procedures that kill a fetus harms it).
 
Old 07-10-2022, 09:01 AM
 
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What medical professional/doctor do you think will prescribe the pills to end a pregnancy or conduct the exam and procedure? A brain surgeon? A cardiothoracic doctor? A podiatrist?

It will be an ob/gyn.

You may hate with the heat of a thousand suns that pregnancies do end and are stopped, but that doesn't change reality, that docs that work on that area of the body also happen to be those who work with health issues affecting those areas of the body.

Do you walk into your pet's veterinarian practice and call them "the pet killers?" I bet you don't. It's one part in a wide range of services those professionals perform. It's not something any vet *likes,* but it is part of their job. And no, for you snowflakes, I'm NOT comparing animals to humans. But the analogy still fits.

Common sense. Try some.
 
Old 07-10-2022, 09:08 AM
 
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That's physical health problems. What about the psychiatric & sociologic pathology of bearing an unwanted child?...Plenty of research papers to show that bearing an unwanted child has deep psych complications for both mother & child, while the psych problems after an abortion are negligible--contrary to the fantasies & propaganda of the Anti-choice advocates.
Wrong. That’s a nice left wing talking point, but it isn’t grounded in reality. Stop listening to the left wing talking heads and educate yourself. You will be better for it. Women are absolutely at risk for mental problems after abortions. Some more so than others. Here is an article that presents findings from a comprehensive literature review. It’s on the National Library of Medicine.

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Still, both sides agree that (a) abortion is consistently associated with elevated rates of mental illness compared to women without a history of abortion
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6207970/
 
Old 07-10-2022, 10:12 AM
 
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What medical professional/doctor do you think will prescribe the pills to end a pregnancy or conduct the exam and procedure? A brain surgeon? A cardiothoracic doctor? A podiatrist?

It will be an ob/gyn.

You may hate with the heat of a thousand suns that pregnancies do end and are stopped, but that doesn't change reality, that docs that work on that area of the body also happen to be those who work with health issues affecting those areas of the body.

Do you walk into your pet's veterinarian practice and call them "the pet killers?" I bet you don't. It's one part in a wide range of services those professionals perform. It's not something any vet *likes,* but it is part of their job. And no, for you snowflakes, I'm NOT comparing animals to humans. But the analogy still fits.

Common sense. Try some.
Keep alienating the people who support abortion rights but who are increasingly repulsed by the extremism of the modern day movement.
 
Old 07-10-2022, 10:35 AM
 
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Keep alienating the people who support abortion rights but who are increasingly repulsed by the extremism of the modern day movement.
Exactly.
 
Old 07-10-2022, 11:01 AM
 
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Extremism is wanting to remove individual and privacy rights. Extremism is wanting to go back in time >50 years.

Wanting individuals to retain their ability to consult with their physicians and for physicians to be able to work with their patients, directly, without interference or threat, is not radical or extreme.

The "extremism of the modern day movement" is a movement towards increasing control over others, especially women, based on religious beliefs, in a country that was founded on the principles of autonomy, freedom, with no requirement to believe in or practice any religion.

BTW, saying, "it's a state's right..." is merely kicking the can down the road.
 
Old 07-10-2022, 11:11 AM
 
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Extremism is wanting to remove individual and privacy rights. Extremism is wanting to go back in time >50 years.

Wanting individuals to retain their ability to consult with their physicians and for physicians to be able to work with their patients, directly, without interference or threat, is not radical or extreme.

The "extremism of the modern day movement" is a movement towards increasing control over others, especially women, based on religious beliefs, in a country that was founded on the principles of autonomy, freedom, with no requirement to believe in or practice any religion.

BTW, saying, "it's a state's right..." is merely kicking the can down the road.
Weird that you keep calling people who are pro abortion rights, extremists because they disagree with this language.

The extremism comes in the form of pretending that the fetus is not alive or not human and calling it reproductive healthcare and having no limits on abortion.

Most pro abortion rights people are not pro choice or pro bodily autonomy as they tend to support vaccine mandates. Call them pro abortion rights. Language matters.
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