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It doesn't sound like any of the 'no' votes have any familiarity with trans people. Maybe just live and let live?
Ah yes, live and let live. That goes both ways. Lay off indoctrinating children into “trans acceptance” and don’t expect me to use the pronouns the way you dream yourself to be in your deranged fairy world.
Both sides are claiming victory in this, is not the main issue language?
If sex and gender are NOT the same thing, then is it not confusing to have the terms "woman" and "man" apply to both?
Senator Hawley is correct that the sex man cannot get pregnant, but Professor Bridges is correct that the gender man can get pregnant.
The problem is for most of human history sex and gender were synonyms, so there was no need to distinguish unique descriptive words for each, but now we have a need for that.
Would it then not make sense to say something like:
Words for Sex (Think XX, XY chromosomes) = Woman and Man. Men can't get pregnant.
Words for Gender (Think mindset) = Feminine and Masculine. Masculines can get pregnant.
Wouldn't doing something like this, solve a lot of the debates and confrontations like in the above video or a USSC member not knowing what a woman is? I think it might help politically.
Any ideas? I am trying to be helpful here to all, I don't want to offend anyone with this new idea either.
I am trying to wrap my head around both sides here so I am going to breakdown the arguments from both sides as fair as possible, and please let me know if I did a bad job breaking down your side.
Liberal point of view: Professor Bridges won the exchange.
Professor Khiara Bridges is correct, not all ciswomen can get pregnant and some men (using the term for gender) can and she then uses the term transmen and then also includes nonbinary people as well as people that can possibly get pregnant.
Hawley is opposed to trans people switching genders to play sports or use the "other" bathroom and he clearly was trying to make a political point on this topic and it was right for her to shut him down along these lines.
It can lead to suicide or attacks by people in the community against trans people if the community doesn't accept them. Hawley needs to be more accepting and not publicly pushing his political line of questioning, which emboldens others to not accept trans people.
It isn't that hard to accept someone for who they are, so it is frustrating that many conservatives get hung up on this, especially as trans people are significantly more likely to report self harm like cutting or even suicide.
Making sure we all have dignity and respect goes a long ways in society.
Liberals is this about right?
Conservative point of view: Senator Hawley won the exchange.
The professor had previously said that abortion was a women's issue, so it seems illogical to also say that men can get pregnant. (She was probably talking about the sex in the 1st case and the gender in the 2nd case, which is why the language is confusing.)
A professor should try to encourage discussion, not shut it down by accusing the senator of being afraid of trans people or promoting violence. When the senator did question this exact point she then accused him of denying that trans people exist, something he clearly didn't do.
Some leftists will say that the 2020 George Floyd protests were not violence, even though many had literal physical violence and then in their next breath will say that Republican words asking questions that made sense for 99.9% of human history are violence and that is hypocritical.
Many conservatives feel that it is absurd that they are required to "affirm" what someone else thinks of themself and then question where that line is. Do we have to confirm Rachel Dolezal as a black woman, a dangerously thin bulimic person as obese, a struggling want to be comedian as funny, etc.
The professor is also very political claiming that the fact that white women are MORE likely to be prosecuted for opioid abuse while pregnant is a sign of white privilege, but you think that she'd also make the same exact argument if it were the opposite that white women were less likely to be prosecuted in that case.
Conservatives is that about right?
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Break Down of Senator Hawley and Professor Bridges - Possible Solution
