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View Poll Results: Now that sex and gender are different, should we change their descriptive words to distinguish them?
Yes 2 6.25%
Unsure 3 9.38%
No 27 84.38%
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Old 07-14-2022, 11:46 PM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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People born with XY chromosomes, or XXY or any other variant with a "Y", can NOT get pregnant. Males can't have babies...period.

Ironically, these are the same people that told us to "Trust the Science" during the peak of Covid.
Ironically, these people believe men can get pregnant, participate in women's sports, use women's locker rooms, self identify as a woman pre or post operation, but then get mad when those same men strike down pro-abortion laws because it goes against "women's rights."

I guess these people just don't see the hypocrisy.

If the woke wants to allow men to be women, don't be shocked when those men start taking the rights of women.
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Old 07-15-2022, 12:13 AM
 
Location: Cali
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I saw the video, and the Dr. was correct. Hawley was just being a jerk, and she called him out for it.
Feel free to explain
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Old 07-15-2022, 12:49 AM
 
Location: California
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Some of us just define "men" different, she should be more open minded and accepting of people different than her,
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Old 07-15-2022, 05:55 AM
 
Location: Michigan, Maryland-born
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Type 1 logic error.

You presume that sex and gender being different is a fact; despite your contention, sex and gender are identical.

The whole canard of about a hundred different genders is pure psychopathic hogwash.

Part of the whole liberal problem is that conservatives have placated liberals by accepting most of their insane ideas as a political "compromise". The problem is that there is no "compromise" with liberals- they do not accept or tolerate any other views than their own. Thus it is pointless to seek a middle ground or compromise with libs, as there will be none.

It is time to basically state the facts- liberals and most of their policies are insane and should be condemned as such. Placating liberal fools simply encourages them to push out the envelope of twisted behavior even further.
Sex and Gender are being taught as different in schools. Language evolves with the times. I think this difference has already made it into most dictionaries.

If gender is a mindset, then there could be more than two.
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Old 07-15-2022, 06:02 AM
 
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Typical lefty response when unable to coherently respond.

“You’re racist/sexist/transphobic…â€

This juvenile method began on the campuses when professors first pretended that folks who coherently questioned their (ridiculous) theories were racist/sexist…
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Old 07-15-2022, 06:39 AM
 
Location: Cali
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Typical lefty response when unable to coherently respond.

“You’re racist/sexist/transphobic…â€

This juvenile method began on the campuses when professors first pretended that folks who coherently questioned their (ridiculous) theories were racist/sexist…
To be fair, she lives in the Bay and teaches at Berkeley in her own little bubble.

She is probably used “yes ma’am†and surrounded by people sharing her same insane ideology.

It’s a culture shock when someone like Sen Hawley questioning her belief or ideology. I think that caught her off guard.
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Old 07-15-2022, 06:47 AM
 
Location: Lyon, France, Whidbey Island WA
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Her goal, and it was her only goal, was to return to her classroom triumphant. She can be incorrect, arrogant, condescending and oblique as long as she uses the right tone, the right up flip in her voice and the same irrelevant responses to the Senator. As long as she challenged Hawley, and nature itself - she will be lauded upon her return to class.

She could even be wrong. No matter. She's "above it".

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Old 07-15-2022, 07:01 AM
 
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What blows my mind is that she is a professor. She needs to be fired. She is wacko.
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Old 07-15-2022, 07:04 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Think how many minds are wasted... after all, a mind is a terrible thing to waste.


MLK is rolling over in his grave.
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Old 07-15-2022, 07:38 AM
 
Location: The Piedmont of North Carolina
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Both sides are claiming victory in this, is not the main issue language?

If sex and gender are NOT the same thing, then is it not confusing to have the terms "woman" and "man" apply to both?

Senator Hawley is correct that the sex man cannot get pregnant, but Professor Bridges is correct that the gender man can get pregnant.

The problem is for most of human history sex and gender were synonyms, so there was no need to distinguish unique descriptive words for each, but now we have a need for that.

Would it then not make sense to say something like:

Words for Sex (Think XX, XY chromosomes) = Woman and Man. Men can't get pregnant.

Words for Gender (Think mindset) = Feminine and Masculine. Masculines can get pregnant.


Wouldn't doing something like this, solve a lot of the debates and confrontations like in the above video or a USSC member not knowing what a woman is? I think it might help politically.

Any ideas? I am trying to be helpful here to all, I don't want to offend anyone with this new idea either.



I am trying to wrap my head around both sides here so I am going to breakdown the arguments from both sides as fair as possible, and please let me know if I did a bad job breaking down your side.

Liberal point of view: Professor Bridges won the exchange.

Professor Khiara Bridges is correct, not all ciswomen can get pregnant and some men (using the term for gender) can and she then uses the term transmen and then also includes nonbinary people as well as people that can possibly get pregnant.

Hawley is opposed to trans people switching genders to play sports or use the "other" bathroom and he clearly was trying to make a political point on this topic and it was right for her to shut him down along these lines.

It can lead to suicide or attacks by people in the community against trans people if the community doesn't accept them. Hawley needs to be more accepting and not publicly pushing his political line of questioning, which emboldens others to not accept trans people.

It isn't that hard to accept someone for who they are, so it is frustrating that many conservatives get hung up on this, especially as trans people are significantly more likely to report self harm like cutting or even suicide.

Making sure we all have dignity and respect goes a long ways in society.

Liberals is this about right?

Conservative point of view: Senator Hawley won the exchange.

The professor had previously said that abortion was a women's issue, so it seems illogical to also say that men can get pregnant. (She was probably talking about the sex in the 1st case and the gender in the 2nd case, which is why the language is confusing.)

A professor should try to encourage discussion, not shut it down by accusing the senator of being afraid of trans people or promoting violence. When the senator did question this exact point she then accused him of denying that trans people exist, something he clearly didn't do.

Some leftists will say that the 2020 George Floyd protests were not violence, even though many had literal physical violence and then in their next breath will say that Republican words asking questions that made sense for 99.9% of human history are violence and that is hypocritical.

Many conservatives feel that it is absurd that they are required to "affirm" what someone else thinks of themself and then question where that line is. Do we have to confirm Rachel Dolezal as a black woman, a dangerously thin bulimic person as obese, a struggling want to be comedian as funny, etc.

The professor is also very political claiming that the fact that white women are MORE likely to be prosecuted for opioid abuse while pregnant is a sign of white privilege, but you think that she'd also make the same exact argument if it were the opposite that white women were less likely to be prosecuted in that case.

Conservatives is that about right?
I admire your tenacity for trying to find a way for Conservatives and Liberals/Progressives to meet in the middle on many issues. On this particular issue, there is no middle-ground.

Conservatives feel that men are men and women are women. There might be some tomboys and tomgirls, which there is nothing wrong with, but desiring to have genitalia removed, and filling your body with plastic to "appear" as the opposite sex is not normal and indicative of a mental illness that needs to be treated.

Liberals/Progressives feel that anyone can identify as whatever they feel like being, and everyone in society has to be accepting of this, and if you disagree, then you are a bigot. (This is a logical fallacy, because using the definition of "bigot", Progressives, themselves, are being bigoted against anyone that does not agree with "transgenderism".).

Of course, you must also realize that Progressives have no interest in finding a middle ground. They feel they are "right" and that they have a duty push their views on everyone, especially the easily impressionable youth. This is why "transgenderism" is popping up in elementary school curriculums and children's television programs.

How can we find common ground with Progressives, on this issue, if they label anyone that disagrees with them, on this issue, as bigots? There is no starting point when insults are immediately hurled.

Using the logic that dictates that gender is made up in someone's head and sex is the physical genitalia of the person, does the argument that this is about gender go out the window when "transgender" people have their genitalia hacked up and fake genitalia installed, being that the logic states that sex is determined by genitalia? Would "transsexual" not be a more accurate term?
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