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Old 09-08-2022, 10:59 AM
 
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Intent is not needed. It is illegal to remove NDI documents from any federal facility, period. Intent doesn't matter. It is also illegal to show NDI documents to people without the proper security clearance. Again,the intent doesn't matter.

The FBI now has evidence that both of these crimes were committed by Trump.


That Trump loyalists here don't question why an ex POTUS has NDI documents at his home years after he left office shows that they have no concern for the country at large. Even folks like the FOX talking heads have enough sense to ask "why would he do that?".

Anyone who cant seriously ask themselves why an ex POTUS would have these in his possession and try to hide that fact from the government just simply doesn't have the courage and desire to know the truth about their hero.
You got him this time detective gadget!

 
Old 09-08-2022, 11:07 AM
 
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They couldn't. There is only one resolution to this: court of law.

We have so many budding attorneys on C-D, so confident that there is an iron clad proof Trump broke the law and 'stole' documents, yet Trump has not been charged or convicted yet.

In other words, this is just a circle jerk, we hate Trump fest.

Yet.

We are in the phase called " the investigation". Thats what is done before the indictment. But info has already been released as to some of the things found, and these things are violations of federal law, regardless of intent. So we know Trump violated the law, thats really not in dispute. Even his own AG thinks Trump will be indicted, although he hopes not. The possession of nuclear secrets about foreign countries may make it impossible though for Garland to NOT indict him. Thats very serious, even though his followers don't seem to care .


When the time is right the results of the investigation will be released, and Trump will either be indicted or not, depending on the thoughts of the federal government about the consequences of indicting a former POTUS.

But whether he possessed them in violation of federal law is really not in question. Only whether the government will have the balls to indict him.
 
Old 09-08-2022, 11:09 AM
 
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But whether he possessed them in violation of federal law is really not in question. Only whether the government will have the balls to indict him.
The crux of the matter. ^^^
 
Old 09-08-2022, 11:33 AM
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Just a Thursday morning reminder: Donald Trump had top secret classified documents about our NSA spies abroad and nuclear secrets of a foreign country sitting in a storage closet next to the waffle buffet.

The fact that he had these documents is indefensible. Period. Full stop.

Ignore the far-right Trump voters who are trying their best to downplay this issue.

Who says he had these documents? "Anonymous sources at WaPo"? Yeah, full stop for this nonsense.
 
Old 09-08-2022, 11:33 AM
 
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Originally Posted by NatesDude View Post
Intent is not needed. It is illegal to remove NDI documents from any federal facility, period. Intent doesn't matter. It is also illegal to show NDI documents to people without the proper security clearance. Again,the intent doesn't matter.

The FBI now has evidence that both of these crimes were committed by Trump.


That Trump loyalists here don't question why an ex POTUS has NDI documents at his home years after he left office shows that they have no concern for the country at large. Even folks like the FOX talking heads have enough sense to ask "why would he do that?".

Anyone who cant seriously ask themselves why an ex POTUS would have these in his possession and try to hide that fact from the government just simply doesn't have the courage and desire to know the truth about their hero.
You got him this time detective gadget!
You didn't address the point of the post at all. Trying to introduce mockery into the discussion does not advance your position nor deflect from Trump's problems.

You have nothing worthwhile to say about it.

I realize that you and many others are going through cognitive dissonance, and you can't stay there forever. You can either accept the facts and adjust your thinking to reality, or deny the truth and retreat to fantasy.

Whatever helps you sleep at night, that is what you will do.
 
Old 09-08-2022, 11:34 AM
 
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Who says he had these documents? "Anonymous sources at WaPo"? Yeah, full stop for this nonsense.
I thought Trump already admitted he had them. Did he not?

Where do you get your information?
 
Old 09-08-2022, 11:39 AM
 
Location: Retired in VT; previously MD & NJ
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Prove they were "stolen", and intent.
Prove they weren't stolen from the White House. Maybe the documents walked to MarALago by themselves.

Stop being ridiculous!
 
Old 09-08-2022, 11:40 AM
 
Location: 23.7 million to 162 million miles North of Venus
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Originally Posted by NatesDude View Post
Intent is not needed. It is illegal to remove NDI documents from any federal facility, period. Intent doesn't matter. It is also illegal to show NDI documents to people without the proper security clearance. Again,the intent doesn't matter.
False. x3

Intent is mentioned in all three of the laws that were listed on the warrant, the DOJ will be required to prove that there was intent.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/t...0or%20in%20any
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1519
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/793



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The FBI now has evidence that both of these crimes were committed by Trump.
You have no clue as to what they have, or IF there was actually a crime.

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That Trump loyalists here don't question why an ex POTUS has NDI documents at his home years after he left office shows that they have no concern for the country at large. Even folks like the FOX talking heads have enough sense to ask "why would he do that?".

Anyone who cant seriously ask themselves why an ex POTUS would have these in his possession and try to hide that fact from the government just simply doesn't have the courage and desire to know the truth about their hero.
So, your answer is to fret, scream and stamp your feet over things that are unknown, since very little of anything has been proven at this point? I bet you're fun at parties.
 
Old 09-08-2022, 11:43 AM
 
Location: 23.7 million to 162 million miles North of Venus
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Who says he had these documents? "Anonymous sources at WaPo"? Yeah, full stop for this nonsense.
which is likely Strzok and Figliuzzi.
 
Old 09-08-2022, 11:44 AM
 
Location: 23.7 million to 162 million miles North of Venus
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I thought Trump already admitted he had them. Did he not?

Where do you get your information?
When did Trump say he had "nuclear secrets"?

Where do you get your information?
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