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Originally Posted by NatesDude
Mindless hyperbole on your part. I am simply answering the nonstop silliness posted by the Trump cultists who cant stand the thought that their hero was trying to hide possession of these documents from the government. That he had them has been well established in this thread . If someone like you continues to try and deny this after 10180 posts, one more time isn't going to convince you. You are too much of a mindless fanboy if Trumps actions on this dont make you ask questions.
And no,intent is not needed. This again has been established in this thread,whether you like it or not. The law says NDI documents cannot be removed from a federal facility under any circumstances. Period. To remove them is a crime.Trump removed them.Crime committed. It remains to be seen if the government will choose to indict him,but even his own AG say there is evidence enough and thinks they will.
I give you the actual statutes that say intent is needed, and you come back with 'someone in the thread says it's not'. Talk about mindless hyperbole, you have it in spades.
I give you the actual statutes that say intent is needed, and you come back with 'someone in the thread says it's not'. Talk about mindless hyperbole, you have it in spades.
Why charge Trump and waste taxpayer money on a trial? Incredibly intelligent and scholarly C-Ders have already convicted! Off with his head!
I give you the actual statutes that say intent is needed, and you come back with 'someone in the thread says it's not'. Talk about mindless hyperbole, you have it in spades.
You might want to re-read those statutes for comprehension and then come back.
Yes, they say the word "intent" - you might be served by taking a look at the context surrounding that word.
"Whoever willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, or destroys, or attempts to do so, or, with intent to do so takes and carries away any record, proceeding, map, book, paper, document, or other thing..."
"...with intent to do so..." is a reference back to "...willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, etc, etc, etc...." Meaning failing to actually remove, but "carries away" with the intent to remove.
I.E. just because security stops you with unpaid for jewelry in your pocket before you actually leave the store, doesn't mean you didn't try/have the intent to steal it.
It is also a fact that Trump obstructed justice at least ten separate ways (each chargeable) to prevent investigations into this mess.
It is also a fact that Trump's first order of business when taking the job was an attempt to lift all sanctions on Russia. Quid Pro Quo.
Thankfully the congress caught on to what he was up to, and forced the issue, preventing him from paying back Putin for the help.
It is also a fact that Bill Barr forced the premature closing of the Mueller investigation, well before they had completed their work. He then publicly mis-represented the findings.
What about the made-up one of "collusion"; with Hunter.
All you need is evidence, which the last time I looked doesn't exist. The evidence will need to show that the crime was ongoing after January 20, 2021.
I give you the actual statutes that say intent is needed, and you come back with 'someone in the thread says it's not'. Talk about mindless hyperbole, you have it in spades.
No, I didn't say " someone in the thread said". Typical of you though.I said the info that it is illegal to remove them , period, has been given in this thread . Pay attention please. From a Trump apologists who also happens to have beena federal judge, and a Trump cheerleader on FOX. Judge Napolitano. As I said, this has been given already in this thread.
"Under the law, it doesn’t matter if the documents on which NDI is contained are classified or not, as it is simply and always criminal to have NDI in a non-federal facility, to have those without security clearances move it from one place to another, and to keep it from the feds when they are seeking it. Stated differently, the absence of classification — for whatever reason — is not a defense to the charges that are likely to be filed against Trump."
Do I expect you will get this after it has been given a second time. No. But your denial will simply show others that you lack the ability to think for yourself.
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Originally Posted by hooligan
You might want to re-read those statutes for comprehension and then come back.
Yes, they say the word "intent" - you might be served by taking a look at the context surrounding that word.
"Whoever willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, or destroys, or attempts to do so, or, with intent to do so takes and carries away any record, proceeding, map, book, paper, document, or other thing..."
"...with intent to do so..." is a reference back to "...willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, etc, etc, etc...." Meaning failing to actually remove, but "carries away" with the intent to remove.
I.E. just because security stops you with unpaid for jewelry in your pocket before you actually leave the store, doesn't mean you didn't try/have the intent to steal it.
Sorry to burst your bubble but intent still has to be proven.
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Talk about mindless hyperbole, you have it in spades.
