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Old 09-04-2022, 09:22 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Anthropogenic Global Climate Change / Global Warming was and is a hoax, paid for in order to chivvy the sheeple into doing very stupid things that give more power to those who are paying for it all. (Like selling "carbon credits")
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Despite the exposure of academic abuse and outright fraud, the "true believers" of the church of the warming planet are still banning heretics who look "behind the curtain".
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Old 09-04-2022, 09:44 PM
 
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This whole bullcrap is a scam......

CO2 causes global warming

..for the past 50 years....all of the increase in CO2 has come....directly or indirectly from China

the USA, EU, Japan, and even Russia.....has not increased their CO2 emissions

WE do not have to do one damn thing about it....

The UN/IPCC fixed it so China can....even to this day....increase their CO2 emissions
..and China is still increasing their CO2 emissions

If this wasn't a scam....the whole world would be demanding that China stop

hell, China is not stupid or suicidal....China doesn't even believe this crap

China emits over twice as much CO2 as we do....and they are increasing their CO2 emissions as fast as they can

world CO2 emissions > https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ederations.png
Even if Western CO2 emissions have remained flat, we are still dumping huge quantities of it into the atmosphere, essentially running an open ended experiment on how long we can get away with that.

The goal is not to keep CO2 emissions flat, but to reduce them to as close to zero as possible.
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Old 09-04-2022, 09:48 PM
 
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Been there, done that.

But they could be insulated. Or like our current house, through inside walls. Water heaters in the attic are an issue. Mine has insulation on all the piping and a blanket on the heater.

Beats running them through the slab. That was a disaster.

So was running plumbing through uninsulated parts of the attic. The homeowner insurance prices really went up in my part of the state. We will pay for it one way or another.
Our water heater is on the back of our house, a gas fired tankless unit. I just cut off the water and drained it before it got too cold. Our attic insulation is not great, so enough heat leaks from the house to keep the attic pretty safe, at least that's what's happened so far. If we had to, we could open the attic stairs and heat the attic as well as the house. If the power foes out, we have a 6 burner gas cooktop that's good for at least 80,000 BTU.
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Old 09-04-2022, 09:54 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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(patiently)

Do you have any proof of this statement?

If not, what makes you think it's true?
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We have been releasing huge amounts of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases into the air. We are changing our atmosphere which controls our climate.
So, no proof of anything? Just some vague "feeling" that since we are producing some carbon dioxide, it must be enough to mess everything up?

My sympathies.
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Old 09-04-2022, 09:59 PM
 
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So, no proof of anything? Just some vague "feeling" that since we are producing some carbon dioxide, it must be enough to mess everything up?

My sympathies.
Education is a wonderful thing.
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Old 09-05-2022, 02:47 AM
 
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Anthropogenic Global Climate Change / Global Warming was and is a hoax, paid for in order to chivvy the sheeple into doing very stupid things that give more power to those who are paying for it all. (Like selling "carbon credits")
. . .
Despite the exposure of academic abuse and outright fraud, the "true believers" of the church of the warming planet are still banning heretics who look "behind the curtain".
The climate grift is embarrassing. The lack of critical thinking on this issue is abyssal. At least follow the money people
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Old 09-05-2022, 03:13 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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Not sure it can be done, but if it can be done it would require an end to personal freedom. And I think that is what the rulers are planning.

I personally think that our species damages the earth with toxic substances, and maybe that causes dangerous climate change. I do not think it is helpful to be in denial about this and pretend it's all a lie just because you don't want to believe it.

ON THE OTHER HAND -- it is pretty silly to think forcing Americans to drive electric cars will make a difference. People all over the world will keep driving whatever they want. The rich will keep flying all over the place on jets. No one will give up their air conditioning voluntarily.

The WHOLE WORLD would have to be under some kind of central control. And whatever power could manage to take that control would have to be militarily unbeatable. And don't think they would stop at forcing environmental policies. Why would they stop at that? An absolute world ruling power could do whatever the heck it wants, with no restraints.

So this is what I think we could be heading for. And I don't see any solution, really.
The solution is to let the planet alone and learn to live with warmer temperatures.

RE: Natalie, post 45. You are on a roll. Have you noticed that the planet has been warming and cooling for millions of years without any help from humans?
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Old 09-05-2022, 03:27 AM
 
Location: California
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There's nothing we can do to change whatever is going to happen. Maybe we've always had an expiration date, or maybe things aren't as dire as anyone thinks. All I know is we aren't going to "save the planet" with EV's and windmills or any of the other money making and controlling schemes people are pushing.
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Old 09-05-2022, 05:04 AM
 
Location: Central CT, sometimes FL and NH.
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Around 27% of greenhouse gas emissions are from transportation, it's the largest area where we can make a difference. 25% comes from electricity generation. Agree on private jets and other abuses but they are a small part of the problem.
There is a lot that can be done with transportation. It doesn't have to be a wholesale change over to electric vehicles. If more people simply purchased a fuel efficient compact or sub-compact vehicle we could significantly reduce both gas consumption and carbon emissions. For the vast majority of Americans a smaller vehicle would meet their actual needs. Given the fact that the average new car sales have been approaching $50,000 a smaller vehicle also provides an economic solution for many Americans whose budgets are stretched to meet other essential needs.

There are too many people who put their wants above their actual needs and at the same time unnecessarily struggle to pay their bills. If the government wants to encourage people to make a difference the first thing they should do is stop giving out free money for people to spend on the very items that contribute to the problem (large vehicles, boats, ATVs, motorhomes, extra travel, etc.).

In the old days, (30 years ago ) most people lived within their means. Young families bought small starter homes (800 - 1000 sq ft), drove small cars (Corollas, Civics, Escorts, etc.), vacationed close to home, and ate most meals at home. If more people adopted some of these simple habits coupled with improved technology, we would see a significant reduction in demand for fossil fuels as well as a reduced carbon footprint.
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Old 09-05-2022, 05:11 AM
 
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Not sure it can be done, but if it can be done it would require an end to personal freedom. And I think that is what the rulers are planning.

I personally think that our species damages the earth with toxic substances, and maybe that causes dangerous climate change. I do not think it is helpful to be in denial about this and pretend it's all a lie just because you don't want to believe it.

ON THE OTHER HAND -- it is pretty silly to think forcing Americans to drive electric cars will make a difference. People all over the world will keep driving whatever they want. The rich will keep flying all over the place on jets. No one will give up their air conditioning voluntarily.

The WHOLE WORLD would have to be under some kind of central control. And whatever power could manage to take that control would have to be militarily unbeatable. And don't think they would stop at forcing environmental policies. Why would they stop at that? An absolute world ruling power could do whatever the heck it wants, with no restraints.

So this is what I think we could be heading for. And I don't see any solution, really.
Our climate has been changing since its inception.Man did NOT create the Ice Age OR its decline!

If man thinks they can change the climate, I have a seldom used bridge for sale, anyone interested?
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