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Old 10-19-2022, 09:57 AM
 
Location: Palm Coast FL
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But, to determine some things as immoral and evil (such as slavery, pedophilia, gratuitous torture, baby killing, etc) requires very little assessment and/or critique...as they are objectively so.
You may think that it's objective fact that abortion is evil, but it is not objective fact. Evil usually implies some religious judgement. There are many religions that do not have a problem with abortion and we're supposed to have freedom of religion here. Sometimes it is the morally just thing to do.

 
Old 10-19-2022, 10:12 AM
 
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You mentioned what you thought "my God considered". So...
But, then...that is a typical thing the Pro-Choice to Kill Babies crew does. They try to present the idea that it's evil to kill babies as some kind of crackpot Theological position.
It's not. It's the most basic moral position there should be, in any civilized society.
It’s not moral to force a woman to remain pregnant, labor, deliver, parenthood for 18 years or put a child up for adoption against her own wishes. That’s evil.
 
Old 10-19-2022, 10:14 AM
 
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In your opinion. Not everyone agrees. That is my point. You, or any other individual person are not the arbiter of the issue. I have no problem with you giving your opinion. But many others do not agree with you. I only expect others to acknowledge that other opinions are also valid.

Argue on...
No...it is not just "my opinion" that wantonly killing babies is evil & depraved...it's A FACT that it is. It requires no arbiter of the issue.
That some are acceptable to it, and would do it anyway, notwithstanding.
It was that way with slavery. At one time, some (maybe most) thought it was acceptable...and that it wasn't evil & depraved.
But just because they found it acceptable, did not make that a valid position. It was OBJECTIVELY EVIL... as a fact...it required no arbiter.
The same with wantonly killing gestating babies.
 
Old 10-19-2022, 10:19 AM
 
Location: Retired in VT; previously MD & NJ
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No...it is not just "my opinion" that wantonly killing babies is evil & depraved...it's A FACT that it is. It requires no arbiter of the issue.
That some are acceptable to it, and would do it anyway, notwithstanding.
It was that way with slavery. At one time, some (maybe most) thought it was acceptable...and that it wasn't evil & depraved.
But just because they found it acceptable, did not make that a valid position. It was OBJECTIVELY EVIL... as a fact...it required no arbiter.
The same with wantonly killing gestating babies.
Wantonly??? Have you ever known anybody who agonized over an abortion and felt there was no other answer to their problem? Evidently not.
 
Old 10-19-2022, 10:21 AM
 
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This is how they think: https://youtu.be/tn5Q8_7HSiU
They have to know that it doesn't get any more evil and depraved than that...but, I believe they actually celebrate being like that.
Are you representing that this speaker is speaking for pro-choice women?
 
Old 10-19-2022, 10:23 AM
 
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It’s not moral to force a woman to remain pregnant, labor, deliver, parenthood for 18 years or put a child up for adoption against her own wishes. That’s evil.
Motherhood is the pinnacle of human endeavor...not something evil.
But, even if one does view it as "evil"...one should not be allowed to commit the greater (greatest) evil of Baby Killing, in order to avoid it.
 
Old 10-19-2022, 10:28 AM
 
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This is how they think: https://youtu.be/tn5Q8_7HSiU
They have to know that it doesn't get any more evil and depraved than that...but, I believe they actually celebrate being like that.
Since when does any particular idiot on you tube speak for any group of people? I suggest you avoid all of these you tube idiots.
 
Old 10-19-2022, 10:30 AM
 
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Motherhood is the pinnacle of human endeavor...not something evil.
But, even if one does view it as "evil"...one should not be allowed to commit the greater (greatest) evil of Baby Killing, in order to avoid it.
Never said motherhood was evil. I said forcing a woman to remain pregnant and all that entails against her own wishes is evil.
 
Old 10-19-2022, 10:30 AM
 
Location: Retired in VT; previously MD & NJ
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Motherhood is the pinnacle of human endeavor...not something evil.
But, even if one does view it as "evil"...one should not be allowed to commit the greater (greatest) evil of Baby Killing, in order to avoid it.
Who is viewing motherhood as evil? Who told you that nonsense?
 
Old 10-19-2022, 10:31 AM
 
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Are you representing that this speaker is speaking for pro-choice women?
Any mindset that holds wantonly executing gestating babies is acceptable, is on par with this speaker.
She is just more graphic about describing what typically occurs.
But...I actually respect her more. She is willing to cop to her position, with no qualms & in no uncertain terms.
She doesn't try to present a buncha disingenuous, weasel justifications.
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