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Old 10-18-2022, 11:35 AM
 
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Originally Posted by InformedConsent View Post
Of course I do. The woman is thinking... I don't want a baby: should I kill this child or not.

Previously you told us they already decided to accept birth as a consequence of having unprotected sex.

Now you are telling us they are thinking something different.

Thanks for proving my point that you don't have a clue what any other woman is thinking about abortion or anything else unless she tells you.

Come up with your position on the death penalty for teens who illegally abort yet?

 
Old 10-18-2022, 11:39 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Previously you told us they already decided to accept birth as a consequence of having unprotected sex.
Yes, so then why do they proceed to think about killing?
 
Old 10-18-2022, 11:47 AM
 
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Yes, so then why do they proceed to think about killing?
I don't accept your original premise so I can't answer your question.

Why any particular woman decides to have an abortion is unknown to me unless she tells me. I don't consider it any of my business or yours.
 
Old 10-18-2022, 11:49 AM
 
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The circumstances of the pregnancy matters not.
Exactly, and it will never matter.

The only way it could matter is if we start policing women's use of birth control.

Is that also next on the R agenda.

Govt inspectors in everyone's bedroom who wants to retain the right to an abortion so women can prove they used birth control correctly
 
Old 10-18-2022, 11:56 AM
 
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A civilized society also protects the life of the unborn, this is why 47 of 50 states make it illegal to terminate a pregnancy beyond 24 weeks.
So you’re pro choice until after 24 weeks. Good to know
 
Old 10-18-2022, 11:59 AM
 
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Actually, it does matter. In only 0.3% of abortions is a woman pregnant against her will (due to rape).
So a baby conceived in rape or incest is less worth protecting in your eyes? If you had sex willing even if you used bc and had an unplanned pregnancy the woman’s desires don’t count.
 
Old 10-18-2022, 12:01 PM
 
Location: OH->FL->NJ
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Are you saying that being a "RINO" is contagious?
The word RINO is like words like socialist, Marxist, privilege, oppressor, fair, fascist, NAZI and dozens of other words mean literally nothing. It means nothing more than the person using the word disagrees with the person they speak of.

People with 90+ lifetime ACU ratings have been called RINO.

Welcome to the time when the political litmus test has become a you know what size contest.
 
Old 10-18-2022, 12:21 PM
 
Location: Retired in VT; previously MD & NJ
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There are extremely few women who get pregnant against their will. Only 0.3% of abortions are due to rape. 95% of unintended pregnancies are due to women VOLUNTARILY participating in unprotected sex, by their own admission (Guttmacher). Getting pregnant was NOT against their will. It was a risk they DELIBERATELY chose to take.
Just because there are "extremely few" who get pregnant against their will is no reason to force them to go through pregnancy and give birth to their rapist's baby. Some politicians are advocating for just that scenario.

I also would not be surprised if the number of rape victims is severely under reported. I suppose many of them just quietly go get an abortion and are not counted by Guttmacher or anyone else. They may not be able to do that anymore if some extremists get their way, because they would have to go public with their most intimate details, reporting to police and courts before they are allowed to abort.
 
Old 10-18-2022, 12:30 PM
 
Location: Retired in VT; previously MD & NJ
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Originally Posted by ottomobeale View Post
The word RINO is like words like socialist, Marxist, privilege, oppressor, fair, fascist, NAZI and dozens of other words mean literally nothing. It means nothing more than the person using the word disagrees with the person they speak of.

People with 90+ lifetime ACU ratings have been called RINO.

Welcome to the time when the political litmus test has become a you know what size contest.
It means nothing more than the person using the word disagrees with the person they speak of.
For the functionally illiterate that might be so. I think you and I know what all these words mean. Indiscriminate use of words as insults should not be embraced. It should be called out every time.
 
Old 10-18-2022, 01:29 PM
 
Location: Philaburbia
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Originally Posted by InformedConsent View Post
Women know that they're not using birth control when having sex and are able to report that fact to Guttmacher. That clearly indicates voluntarily participation in unprotected sex.
It indicates no such thing. The Guttmacher report is not black and white; there are many variables in the study. Anyone who thoroughly reads and properly understands the study would know that.

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Using grieving families to make political points should be beneath people, but as we see over and over again nothing is with this crowd.
Sad but true.

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There are extremist candidates who obviously do not know the difference between elective abortion and health of the fetus or mother. They are the dangerous ones who are trying to pass laws that will restrict doctors from saving mothers in distress.
Doctors know there's no way to save an ectopic pregnancy, or any other pregnancy that threatens the life of the mother. Women know there's no way to save an ectopic pregnancy. Apparently politicians do not.

The potential for tragedy is horrific.

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Originally Posted by InformedConsent View Post
98.3% of abortions are performed for convenience, only. They are NOT due to threat to mother's and/or baby's physical health, rape, or incest.
Define "convenience". Now ask a pregnant woman to define "convenience." Don't be surprised if they're not the same.

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Originally Posted by Blondy View Post
Nice work. All out war on women.
I'm disgusted at the disdain and dismissive attitude some women here have for other women.

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Originally Posted by FordBronco1967 View Post
All the extreme Democratic politicians that want no restriction on abortion should be voted out!
Who are these politicians who want "no restriction" on abortion? Please be specific, and cite their positions.

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Why wouldn't they choose to have the baby? They can give it up for adoption and that has been going on for centuries.
Why would any girl want to go through pregnancy, delivery, and adoption at that age?

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Where do these people come from?
Now we know what you find when you drain the swamp.

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Originally Posted by InformedConsent View Post
No one is "forced."
If you're telling a woman she can't have an abortion, you're forcing her to give birth.

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Originally Posted by hothulamaui View Post
Saying yes to sex isn’t saying yes to pregnancy, labor, delivery, 18 years of parenthood or giving a child up for adoption. No one is forced to abort. Don’t like abortion don’t have one. Women live by their own values and don’t have to embrace yours.
Exactly! Thank you!

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Inconvenience is a traffic jam. Calling pregnancy and parenthood an inconvenience diminishes the life changing responsibility of having a child.
It also diminishes the woman. Is a woman's worth only to serve as a vessel?
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