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Old 10-17-2022, 05:42 PM
 
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As I mentioned before, there is massive disagreement in this country as to whether the end of a pregnancy pre-viability outside the womb is considered taking a life or not allowing a life to begin.
Nope. That's made pretty clear by all the fetal homicide laws. Ending a developing baby's life is murder/homicide (depending on the applicable statute).

 
Old 10-17-2022, 05:43 PM
 
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Nope. That's made pretty clear by all the fetal homicide laws. Ending a developing baby's life is murder/homicide (depending on the applicable statute).
Fail. Fetal homicide laws exclude abortion
 
Old 10-17-2022, 05:44 PM
 
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Wow. No. You have NO clue what that chart actually says. Look at the information along the vertical axis. It says the chart indicates the number of births per 1,000 single women, age 15 to 44, listed by income group. It is NOT a percentage of women with unintended pregnancies who continue the pregnancy to birth. And the number of births for the low-income group is nearly twice that of any other group. To be accurate, and to reiterate the facts, the unintended pregnancy abortion rate for the low-income group is only 8.6%, whereas it is 31.9% for the highest income group.

The good news here is that even among the income group most likely to abort an unintended pregnancy, over 2/3 of the women choose life rather than choose to kill.

Abortion is NOT as popular as some seem to think. Even women with unintended pregnancies are far more likely to choose to give birth rather than killing their child.
Well that's the point isn't it, low income women carry to full term because they have fewer choices so these abortion bans along with lack of education and contraception, I guess that is some sort of victory. You seem to think it was some sort of choice, it was not.
 
Old 10-17-2022, 05:48 PM
 
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Fail. Fetal homicide laws exclude abortion
How is it Constitutional to let some people but not others kill another human just for the sake of their own convenience?
 
Old 10-17-2022, 05:49 PM
 
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Not according to polled voters, it isn't. That's my entire point. While the Democrats are banging the drum about abortion, voters are trying to figure out how to deal with rising prices, crime, and illegal immigration. My opinion is that this is a losing strategy for the Dems. You keep insisting that abortion is a wedge issue as if it's going to be the game-changer. It's looking like that isn't the case, but I guess we'll see in November.
While the economy, crime, illegal immigrations are important, abortion is an issue where they can make a difference. A record turnout in a Christian conservative state like Kansas to defeat a GOP attempt to ban abortion is most certainly an indicator.
 
Old 10-17-2022, 05:49 PM
 
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Well that's the point isn't it, low income women carry to full term because they have fewer choices so these abortion bans along with lack of education and contraception, I guess that is some sort of victory. You seem to think it was some sort of choice, it was not.
Then explain why over 2/3 of the women with unintended pregnancies who can easily afford an abortion choose birth instead of killing their children. The vast majority of women don't have the blood lust of the pro-killing cult.
 
Old 10-17-2022, 05:52 PM
 
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Then explain why over 2/3 of the women with unintended pregnancies who can easily afford an abortion choose birth instead of killing their children.
Pretty obvious that they are wealthy and can afford a child, those at the bottom cannot. The abortion bans predominantly impact those at the bottom, middle class not so much. Read the conclusion from the link you posted.
 
Old 10-17-2022, 06:05 PM
 
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How is it Constitutional to let some people but not others kill another human just for the sake of their own convenience?
Like a man a woman can control her body as she sees fit. Convenience is taking a short cut to work, not 9 months of pregnancy and 18 years of parenting.
 
Old 10-17-2022, 06:35 PM
 
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Had to stop reading at "evil Dems."

Your neighbors and coworkers are evil people?

Oh, nevermind. Sigh.
Not all dems are evil, but the dems in congress of today have leaned further and further left dramatically they are evil.

This is not your father's democratic party of the early 2000s and 90s or before. Almost all of them are bad wanting to take away right to bear arms, push socialism/Marxism, want to ban fossil fuel production and shove $8 gas on us. Most voters who vote democrat and not aware of all of this.

I mean just look at the senators. All but Manchin and Senna have voted like this, but Manchin and Senna have halted most of the agenda to ensure it is very mild like Inflation Reduction Act which was so mild and lots stripped out form Build Better Me or something which would have been extreme socialism and higher taxes on everyone!!
 
Old 10-17-2022, 06:37 PM
 
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Fail. Fetal homicide laws exclude abortion
Seems like you failed to understand that in both instances a life dies. One does it and is charged with murder the other doesn't and gets to go home after the procedure.


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Like a man a woman can control her body as she sees fit. Convenience is taking a short cut to work, not 9 months of pregnancy and 18 years of parenting.

47 states have some sort of limits on elective abortions past a certain stage so no a woman can't control her body as she sees fit at any point in a pregnancy.
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