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There is no consensus in this country that a fetus pre-viability outside the womb is a "life." Sorry if that upsets you, but there is massive disagreement on that issue.
That's not upsetting me at all. I know that when a beating heart stops life dies regardless if that beating heart is hooked up to a machine to survive or if it's a pre viable fetus that needs it's mother to survive. There's even a federal law called The Unborn victims violence Act it's that you can be charged for murder if you harm a mother's fetus. So if you're being charged with murdering a fetus that means you killed a life.
You can't be serious? Inside job? DNC chess move? I don't know whether to laugh or cry for you.
Republicans have no one to blame but their own party, warhorse. After spending decades attacking Roe, campaigning on their anti-reproductive rights stance, and appointing religious zealots to the Supreme Court, they now want to stop talking about their crowning achievement of 40+ years effort? They want to hide from it? Run away from it? Tough too bad, I say, because they are the very culprits who have caused women's rights to be on the ballot, here in 2022.
Women and the men who care about women know it is the Republican Party that has been at the forefront of a very vocal and well documented effort to deny women access to medical care and intrude on a woman's most intimate health-care decisions. A movement that is disturbingly indifferent to women. It is one which aspires to control their reproductive healthcare and personal medical decisions, and to cruelly force them to give birth. Given the opportunity (controlling the House, Senate and WH) the GOP will not hesitate to pass a federal ban on abortions, as that is indeed their endgame.
The Republicans own Dobbs... they can't have their cake and eat it too
I'm not owning anything, as I'm neither a Republican nor part of the "Right," although I agree that the Dobbs decision was the only correct constitutional one.
I fully understand why Democrats are trying to make abortion a wedge issue this year, as there is nothing on the economy, immigration, or crime fronts that they can point to and proudly proclaim "We did this" with a straight face. Judging from the polls, however, it isn't working. People are worried about inflation, immigration, and crime. That's what all of the polling is showing at this point, and that's what is probably going to get the Democrats kicked out of the majority in the midterms. Hopefully, the trouncing is so bad that it makes the DNC rethink some positions, although at this point the inmates are running the asylum in the Democratic Party and it's doubtful that any logical reasoning is going to survive the screeching from the lunatics who have taken over.
The overturn of Roe is a wedge issue BECAUSE IT IS A WEDGE ISSUE. Not because Dems want to make it so. (Republican women get abortions too. Ask Herschel)
Nobody is pretending other issues don't exist. Life is never so simple as to have only one issue at a time to deal with.
Repubs have wanted Roe overturned for 40+ years. Now they got what they wanted. Doesn't mean others who disagree with them are just going to roll over and accept it.
This will be a very interesting election to be sure. Especially at the state level. This year more will be paying attention to state elections than is usual. All because the Supreme Court upset the apple cart.
We must remember that many 'conservatives' have long opposed laws that they feel encroach upon a citizen's 'right to privacy'.
Example: the USA Patriot Act under President Bush the Younger. When President Obama sought to expand the powers under said act, leading Republicans spoke out:
"Some of the leading Republican presidential prospects are taking a hatchet to the Obama administration over the (NSA) scandal. Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) has introduced a bill to rein in the National Security Agency’s sweeping powers, and Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) recently knocked President Obama for allowing an “unprecedented and intrusive surveillance system” to take hold, eroding Americans’ privacy rights".
Yet, Roe v. Wade concluded that there is a 'right to privacy' implicit in the Constitution, citing the earlier Griswald decision. The decisions essentially said that private Americans have 'the right to be left alone' (id).
If you, the reader, believe that the Constitution does not provide for a 'right to privacy', where does that leave you?
May then the Government have access to your purchases of firearms?
May the Government have access to your medical records?
Perhaps the Government should be aware of your religious preference? How many times you attend church or other place of worship?
Do you have an expectation of privacy in your postings?
The 'slippery' slope of Roe lead to more laws protecting your privacy. The Dodd decision may be the slope to loss of privacy.
You can't have it both ways. You can't argue that women have no 'right to privacy' over their body, but assume that you will be good.
Historically, 'government' does not work that way.
The overturn of Roe is a wedge issue BECAUSE IT IS A WEDGE ISSUE. Not because Dems want to make it so. (Republican women get abortions too. Ask Herschel)
Nobody is pretending other issues don't exist. Life is never so simple as to have only one issue at a time to deal with.
Repubs have wanted Roe overturned for 40+ years. Now they got what they wanted. Doesn't mean others who disagree with them are just going to roll over and accept it.
This will be a very interesting election to be sure. Especially at the state level. This year more will be paying attention to state elections than is usual. All because the Supreme Court upset the apple cart.
Not according to polled voters, it isn't. That's my entire point. While the Democrats are banging the drum about abortion, voters are trying to figure out how to deal with rising prices, crime, and illegal immigration. My opinion is that this is a losing strategy for the Dems. You keep insisting that abortion is a wedge issue as if it's going to be the game-changer. It's looking like that isn't the case, but I guess we'll see in November.
We must remember that many 'conservatives' have long opposed laws that they feel encroach upon a citizen's 'right to privacy'.
Example: the USA Patriot Act under President Bush the Younger. When President Obama sought to expand the powers under said act, leading Republicans spoke out:
"Some of the leading Republican presidential prospects are taking a hatchet to the Obama administration over the (NSA) scandal. Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) has introduced a bill to rein in the National Security Agency’s sweeping powers, and Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) recently knocked President Obama for allowing an “unprecedented and intrusive surveillance system” to take hold, eroding Americans’ privacy rights".
Yet, Roe v. Wade concluded that there is a 'right to privacy' implicit in the Constitution, citing the earlier Griswald decision. The decisions essentially said that private Americans have 'the right to be left alone' (id).
If you, the reader, believe that the Constitution does not provide for a 'right to privacy', where does that leave you?
May then the Government have access to your purchases of firearms?
May the Government have access to your medical records?
Perhaps the Government should be aware of your religious preference? How many times you attend church or other place of worship?
Do you have an expectation of privacy in your postings?
The 'slippery' slope of Roe lead to more laws protecting your privacy. The Dodd decision may be the slope to loss of privacy.
You can't have it both ways. You can't argue that women have no 'right to privacy' over their body, but assume that you will be good.
Historically, 'government' does not work that way.
Since when does any implied right to privacy give you the right to end a human life? Unless your argument is that it's okay to kill someone as long as nobody finds out about it, the entire "right to privacy" argument as it relates to abortion is nothing but a smoke screen.
Not according to polled voters, it isn't. That's my entire point. While the Democrats are banging the drum about abortion, voters are trying to figure out how to deal with rising prices, crime, and illegal immigration. My opinion is that this is a losing strategy for the Dems. You keep insisting that abortion is a wedge issue as if it's going to be the game-changer. It's looking like that isn't the case, but I guess we'll see in November.
It's a pretty good 'wedge' issue. See the Kansas vote, and the 19th NY Congressional District vote.
As for your other post: many feel differently about the abortion issue. That is a fact. While regrettable, many young women would rather abort than give birth, for a variety of reasons. I will not impose my beliefs upon a woman from Tulsa, addicted to crack cocaine, whom is deciding to abort a 8 week old fetus. It is her decision.
And let's not pretend that there are thousands waiting to adopt. That is a non-started of an argument, given the some 400,000 children in foster care:
We must remember that many 'conservatives' have long opposed laws that they feel encroach upon a citizen's 'right to privacy'.
Example: the USA Patriot Act under President Bush the Younger. When President Obama sought to expand the powers under said act, leading Republicans spoke out:
"Some of the leading Republican presidential prospects are taking a hatchet to the Obama administration over the (NSA) scandal. Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) has introduced a bill to rein in the National Security Agency’s sweeping powers, and Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) recently knocked President Obama for allowing an “unprecedented and intrusive surveillance system” to take hold, eroding Americans’ privacy rights".
Yet, Roe v. Wade concluded that there is a 'right to privacy' implicit in the Constitution, citing the earlier Griswald decision. The decisions essentially said that private Americans have 'the right to be left alone' (id).
If you, the reader, believe that the Constitution does not provide for a 'right to privacy', where does that leave you?
May then the Government have access to your purchases of firearms?
May the Government have access to your medical records?
Perhaps the Government should be aware of your religious preference? How many times you attend church or other place of worship?
Do you have an expectation of privacy in your postings?
The 'slippery' slope of Roe lead to more laws protecting your privacy. The Dodd decision may be the slope to loss of privacy.
You can't have it both ways. You can't argue that women have no 'right to privacy' over their body, but assume that you will be good.
Historically, 'government' does not work that way.
Since when has the right to privacy ever included the right to KILL another human just for the sake of convenience?
Of course they absolutely overturned RVW to give the dems a chance at avoiding a disastrous election this November. The SCOTUS has been weaponized the same as the FBI and the Justice Dept. Its been compromised for years. The passing of Obamacare was proof of that.
Since when does any implied right to privacy give you the right to end a human life? Unless your argument is that it's okay to kill someone as long as nobody finds out about it, the entire "right to privacy" argument as it relates to abortion is nothing but a smoke screen.
As I mentioned before, there is massive disagreement in this country as to whether the end of a pregnancy pre-viability outside the womb is considered taking a life or not allowing a life to begin. Your beliefs on the issue are not universal.
Right to privacy means the woman is allowed to decide for herself if she wants to allow a fetus to grow inside her. Many of us believe the full grown living person takes precedence over a potential person that has not developed yet.
We disagree.
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