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Old 10-18-2022, 08:46 AM
 
Location: Retired in VT; previously MD & NJ
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I did. The actions are EXACTLY the same in fetal homicide and abortion: the intentional killing of a developing baby.
How many since Scott Peterson killed Laci?

Is this even an issue?

 
Old 10-18-2022, 08:50 AM
 
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It's beyond revolting that anti-abortion advocates use fetal homicide laws as some sort of argument to justify their position.

Those laws were intended to provide justice to women and their families when as a consequence of some assault on the woman her fetus is killed.

They have nothing to do with abortion and were never intended to.

Using grieving families to make political points should be beneath people, but as we see over and over again nothing is with this crowd.
What pure double talk! God almighty, you people sure have hypocrisy honed to a razor sharp edge, don’t you? Mastered to a fine science!

The reality is, you cannot have it both ways …. you cannot claim the unborn baby is a life only when the death is caused by someone else’s actions, then turn about face and insist the unborn baby isn’t a life when the mother wants to kill it. Death is death, regardless of who causes it, and a life is either a life or it isn’t a life. It’s either A or B …. it’s not A and B, at your convenience.

What is truly revolting is killing babies for convenience. That’s what should be revolting to decent folks.
 
Old 10-18-2022, 08:52 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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How many since Scott Peterson killed Laci?

Is this even an issue?
Yes, it is. Just one example: https://13wham.com/news/local/former...fetal-homicide

Do you have any idea how easy it is to get abortion pills online? One doesn't even have to be an MD to access them.
 
Old 10-18-2022, 09:06 AM
 
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What pure double talk! God almighty, you people sure have hypocrisy honed to a razor sharp edge, don’t you? Mastered to a fine science!

The reality is, you cannot have it both ways …. you cannot claim the unborn baby is a life only when the death is caused by someone else’s actions, then turn about face and insist the unborn baby isn’t a life when the mother wants to kill it. Death is death, regardless of who causes it, and a life is either a life or it isn’t a life. It’s either A or B …. it’s not A and B, at your convenience.

What is truly revolting is killing babies for convenience. That’s what should be revolting to decent folks.
Correct, on ALL counts.
 
Old 10-18-2022, 09:06 AM
 
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What pure double talk! God almighty, you people sure have hypocrisy honed to a razor sharp edge, don’t you? Mastered to a fine science!

The reality is, you cannot have it both ways …. you cannot claim the unborn baby is a life only when the death is caused by someone else’s actions, then turn about face and insist the unborn baby isn’t a life when the mother wants to kill it. Death is death, regardless of who causes it, and a life is either a life or it isn’t a life. It’s either A or B …. it’s not A and B, at your convenience.

What is truly revolting is killing babies for convenience. That’s what should be revolting to decent folks.
Women aren't having abortions for convenience.

But, putting that aside, what's your next move? Put women who have abortions in jail for life or execute them in death penalty states.

Where exactly are you planning to go with this argument that fetal homicide and abortion are the same?
 
Old 10-18-2022, 09:09 AM
 
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Why? The outcome is EXACTLY the same: the intentional killing of a developing baby.
Not according to the law.

And btw the people who advocated for these laws like Laci Peterson's mother would not agree with you.

Try telling her that the brutal murder of her daughter and grandchild at the hands of her son-in-law is the same thing as an abortion.

How dare anyone use these grieving families this way.
 
Old 10-18-2022, 09:12 AM
 
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Women aren't having abortions for convenience.
98.3% of abortions are performed for convenience, only. They are NOT due to threat to mother's and/or baby's physical health, rape, or incest.
 
Old 10-18-2022, 09:16 AM
 
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Not according to the law.
That's changing now, given that state legislatures and their electorate (aka, the people - reference: the 10th Amendment) have a say in exactly which killing of developing babies they'll allow as legally acceptable. Much like killing in self-defense is legal, but killing another just because they're an inconvenience to you is illegal.
 
Old 10-18-2022, 09:20 AM
 
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That's changing now, given that state legislatures and their electorate (aka, the people - reference: the 10th Amendment) have a say in exactly which killing of developing babies they'll allow as legally acceptable. Much like killing in self-defense is legal, but killing another just because they're an inconvenience to you is illegal.
No......what will change is that these extremist politicians will be voted out.

Then because of thinking like yours laws that were enacted to protect women will have to be repealed so they can't be used against women.

Men killing their partners and children because it's more convenient than divorce and/or child support can just get enhanced penalties for harming a pregnant woman.

Nice work. All out war on women.
 
Old 10-18-2022, 09:22 AM
 
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98.3% of abortions are performed for convenience, only. They are NOT due to threat to mother's and/or baby's physical health, rape, or incest.
Nope only in your imagination is the need to be able to financially or emotionally support a child before having one a matter of convenience. Total hogwash.
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