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Old 01-25-2023, 11:42 AM
 
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Why do we even have laws if people still commit crimes? Anyone ever think of that? What’s the point?


Some laws make more sense than others.

Some laws are constitutional......others are not.

Some laws are more enforceable than others.

(Hint: most gun laws, short of full jack boosted stormtroopers doing door to door confiscation are woefully unenforceable)


But Democrats have demonstrated quite an aversion to enforcing laws these days anyways, so not sure what good they think it will do to pass more laws that they won't enforce?
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Old 01-25-2023, 11:42 AM
 
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Now he's asking? He's a little late to the party
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Old 01-25-2023, 11:45 AM
 
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It makes one wonder that the Dem strategy IS to have enough gun violence to get the sheeple to voluntarily agree to legislation/constitutional amendment to rescind the right to bear arms (even though lawful gun owners are not perpetrators).

THEN they can become the tyrants they fervently desire for total oppression of the sheeple.
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Old 01-25-2023, 11:48 AM
 
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Does being harder on crime with stronger sentences deter mass shooters who are often on suicide runs?
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Old 01-25-2023, 11:50 AM
 
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Taking guns away from the people will solve nothing.
If that were to happen, the criminals would always find a way to obtain guns, then they would be the only ones with guns.
Yeah, that's real smart thinking.

There is no easy answer to the problem of mass shootings.
Obviously mass shootings are the result of emotional problems with the shooter.
When one can come up with a way to spot these emotional problems before a person acts on them, that would go a long way to solving mass shootings, but how do we go about finding these people who have these emotional problems?

If guns were taken out of the equation, these emotional disturbed people would find other means to carry out their carnage, like bombs.
The gun is NOT the issue, emotional instability is, and that is only brought to light by people being diligent of their coworkers, or troubled family members.

How many times have we heard family members of a person who committed a mass shooting state, "we tried to get help for him, but we didn't know how".
Complacency is the enemy of all.
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Old 01-25-2023, 11:52 AM
 
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Does being harder on crime with stronger sentences deter mass shooters who are often on suicide runs?
Not likely but taking a harder stance on evaluating those exhibiting symptoms of mental illness and forcing them to seek treatment might have some effect. Most people know it's not healthy-minded, responsible gun owners causing the problem with these shootings so tougher crime laws won't mean a thing to someone who's teetering on the edge of sanity.
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Old 01-25-2023, 11:53 AM
 
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Let me mention the elephant in the room that we often overlook in these discussions and that is one of the reasons we are so bent on guns is.......we are afraid that we will eventually have to use them to protect ourselves from our government. The way our government frequently acts, they really aren't doing anything to calm those fears.

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Does being harder on crime with stronger sentences deter mass shooters who are often on suicide runs?
It might if those in society are thinking less that we are going to hell in a hand basket. That is, it might defuse the notion, just a little, of "I am as mad as hell and I am not going to take it anymore!" if people see that society is working correctly. Now, if one is looking for a 1 to 1 matching, of "Don't do the crime if you can't do the time,", then that path probably won't work since it is a one way mission. IMHO.
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Taking guns away from the people will solve nothing.
If that were to happen, the criminals would always find a way to obtain guns, then they would be the only ones with guns.
Yeah, that's real smart thinking.

There is no easy answer to the problem of mass shootings.
Obviously mass shootings are the result of emotional problems with the shooter.
When one can come up with a way to spot these emotional problems before a person acts on them, that would go a long way to solving mass shootings, but how do we go about finding these people who have these emotional problems?

If guns were taken out of the equation, these emotional disturbed people would find other means to carry out their carnage, like bombs.
The gun is NOT the issue, emotional instability is, and that is only brought to light by people being diligent of their coworkers, or troubled family members.

How many times have we heard family members of a person who committed a mass shooting state, "we tried to get help for him, but we didn't know how".
Complacency is the enemy of all.
Personally, I wonder what it is that makes people want to be mean instead of nice. Personally, being mean hurts me, it tears me up inside, it makes me "Cry". I never want to be mean.

There was an episode of the X Files in the 90s, when David "Anchovy" was still on the show, where something bad is happening in the town. An old guy talks to our heroes, saying how it use to be a nice town, but now it had all these crimes and people were just being mean. He blamed it on all the chemical additives being put in the food.......maybe fiction was correct.

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Old 01-25-2023, 11:57 AM
 
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Not likely but taking a harder stance on evaluating those exhibiting symptoms of mental illness and forcing them to seek treatment might have some effect. Most people know it's not healthy-minded, responsible gun owners causing the problem with these shootings so tougher crime laws won't mean a thing to someone who's teetering on the edge of sanity.
Yeah, gun control has worked in other smaller countries. As the criminals can't steal guns from responsible owners to then use if they aren't there to steal. 1 gun is stolen every 90 seconds in America and the majority of guns used in crimes were stolen from someone's home or vehicle.

But there are far too many guns here for that to ever really be a solution.
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Old 01-25-2023, 12:01 PM
 
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Does being harder on crime with stronger sentences deter mass shooters who are often on suicide runs?
Those are a different problem, with a different solution. The mistake is thinking simple blanket legislation is going to fix a complex issue.
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Old 01-25-2023, 12:04 PM
 
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Yeah, gun control has worked in other smaller countries. As the criminals can't steal guns from responsible owners to then use if they aren't there to steal. 1 gun is stolen every 90 seconds in America and the majority of guns used in crimes were stolen from someone's home or vehicle.

But there are far too many guns here for that to ever really be a solution.
Can't say how it works in other countries but here in the good old USA, if you want a gun, you can get a gun. You just have to know where to go and who to ask. There are so many guns on the black market, finding out just how many would make your head spin.
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