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Human society can exist only in a very narrow band of temperature.
When you say "human society", do you mean 1) The current infrastructure/geopolitics... 2) Civilization... 3) The current population(or more)... 4) The human species?
For #4, humans survived ice ages where temperatures were much cooler, and the Eemian warm period where the temperature was much warmer(and polar bears too). It would be extremely difficult to wipe out the human species(even a nuclear war wouldn't do it).
For #3, there is certainly an ideal temperature(and CO2 level) for maximum food production. Is it what we have now? Is it what we had during the Little Ice Age? Is it what we had during the medieval warm period? Is it what we had during the last glacial maximum? Is it a degree warmer? A degree colder? Five degrees warmer? Five degrees colder? And how much CO2?
#2 kind of goes with #4, it would be pretty hard to wipe out civilization short of human extinction.
#1 is the only one with any basis in reality, but almost entirely because of sea-level rise. The problem is that the Earth is already overdue for an ice age. The idea that if not for human-released GHG's the Earth would stay the same temperature is delusional.
Moreover, any time the Earth is "warming", the current decade will almost always be hotter than the previous decade. Thus every decade after the end of the Little Ice Age was warmer than the previous decade(IE was the "hottest decade/year on record"). Yet the warming through the 1940's is generally not attributed to human behavior.
With that said, none of this should be taken as an argument in favor of doing nothing. I just get irritated with all the lying. There are both pros and cons to a warmer Earth, but the "sides" in the climate-change debate are fundamentally political(and geopolitical), having little to do with climate-change itself.
As I always say, I'm less interested in what you believe than why you believe it. What do you really want?
Last edited by Redshadowz; 09-01-2023 at 11:29 AM..
So you have no scientific background, but you've spoken to some PhDs and formulated your own conclusions? Forgive me if I'm not impressed.
If you can't do research and formulate your own conclusions on things then you are at the mercy of others telling you what to think and believe. If that's you - they have you right where they want you.
No, not disingenuous in the least. You simply lack accurate information, and draw your faulty conclusions on that. And its not all your fault, because certain facts have been deliberately kept from you. What is your fault is your insistence on remaining ignorant of the truth, by refusing to listen to information new to you.
Not widely advertised for obvious reasons is the scientific fact that the CO2 molecule itself is biochemically incapable of retaining the necessary heat to fit it’s claimed role within greenhouse gas theory model. ?
False. Any chemist can tell you (obviously you are not a chemist) that CO2 can absorb and re-emit infrared spectrum of light. It how glass works in a greenhouse. UV light penetrates the glass (and the atmosphere) but then is reflected back at a longer wavelength (IR). The IR doesn't bounce back into space if it is trapped by CO2.
Anthropogenic Global Climate Change is a hoax. . . You know it's a hoax, because every weather anomaly is now blamed on AGCC. Climate does change and has changed, but it's not being driven by man, nor is the atmosphere "trapping heat." In fact, it keeps the Earth at least 116 F degrees cooler than the ISS & the lunar surface - both without "heat trapping" atmospheres.
(Albedo = 0.30)
CO2 and other trace gases have little effect, despite the Alarmist claims.
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Well, duh! The perfect environment for plant growth would be a greenhouse - very hot and high levels of CO2. Not necessarily great for human life, however.
Yes. Greenhouses are deliberately and specifically built to raise the temperature conditions for plants to grow. Not only that but CO2 is pumped into them. Sometimes using oil burners that do both.
Ok, now about conditions for humans. Normal daytime temperatures in Cairo? 96F, max 102F
Let's try some place on the equator. Mean lowland temperatures 31C
Where I lived, max temperatures of 45C and that was 30 degrees south of the equator. And in a city. Plenty people living there and doing just fine.
What about water temperatures? That was raised by someone else but anyway. Water temperatures so high that I had to get out because it was burning me. Not blister burning but painful burning. Shallow water in the hot African sun. Green grass growing in it with small fish swimming aro8und just fine.
What about see water? Well, there are crustaceans living in the ocean near volcanic vents in which the water is over 212F 100C. It doesn't boil because it's deep. There is plant life there too.
I was amazed at Kuwait City....the average high is 112 degrees...that's the average high year round...which means it can be cooler....and also a whole lot hotter
In SE Pa we had the month of August go by with no 90 degree days. Now September will start off in the low 90s.
So where are these record high temps coming from? Why from the daily LOW temperatures recorded in urban areas. Asphalt acts as a heat well which traps heat and then radiates it after dark. If the temp stays up that way they say its a record heat wave. Fake science.
Apart from actual record heat in the southwest, the rest of the country actually was cooler than normal by half a degree this summer. My area it was 2.5 degrees cooler. Still a nice summer even if it never hit 100 degrees. We had several mid 90 degree days in July and a few in early June and even May.
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