How do smokers deal with the new smoking ban (Congress, conspiracy, program)

[BrianTH]

Originally Posted by Tallysmom

Why does this have to be mandated?

Why do we need any laws regulating behavior, including laws with respect to things like stealing or murder? The answer is that some people will not voluntarily regulate their own behavior in the relevant ways, and so we need laws to deal with those people.

So, I agree with you to the extent that the problem is not smokers, or smoking, in general. The problem is just those particular smokers who insist on smoking in public places where it negatively affects other people, and the law is only necessary because there are indeed some such smokers.

[harleyrider1978]

Originally Posted by BrianTH

Comparisons to alcohol bans are of little value, precisely because a person drinking alcohol has no direct effect on neighboring people in the same way as smoking.

Moreover, this PA law is far from an attempt on a general prohibition on smoking (for example, see all the exemptions we discussed above).

Its prohibition any way you look at it...............you get the same effect.

[harleyrider1978]

Originally Posted by fleetiebelle

ACS :: Secondhand Smoke

That is directly from the American Cancer Society's link, and it doesn't sound like they're disproving any of the problems caused by secon-hand smoke at all.

first,the epa study acs uses was thrown out as junk science by a federal judge.Second the surgeon general was asked htru court to show the names of those deaths attributable to shs..........SG came back and said it was a computer generated number.............no deaths have ever been proven to be shs because it harms nobody..........govmnt propaganda depts in lock step with ACS and ALA and big pharma........the worse thing that happens from shs is it may aggravate a persons own bronchitis.........thats about it.............and anything can do that.now on with the good stuff


For those of you new to the smoking ban business.Here are a few things you should know.
Big pharma is behind the bans with robert wood johnson foundation who hired out the american cancer society and the american lung association to do the honors of shaking down the legislators.
What does big pharma and smokefree kids get from the state besides your rights........the states set up a 200-300 million dollar program for cessation drugs which profit big pharma.....smokefree kids gets a percentage of the cig tax to fund their propaganda dept....the state health dept gets its own police force and police powers...........all for a lie..yes a lie.
Second hand smoke is the moral crusaders sword in this round of prohibition.But guess what...OSHA
SAYS SECOND HAND SMOKE HARMS NO ONE.....YOU GET THAT..THE whole shs scam is made up science to take away your rights in a public place and to take away the property/business owners rights.....
this has been happeneing everywhere bans have been implemented.........the worse is that next year ACS and ALA will be back with smoke free kids to get more taxes and to do away with any excemptions you got this TIME AROUND....They will try and get smoking in cars with kids outlawed and you the parent made to be an unfit parent if you get busted for it.............heres some more of how the anti-smoking lobby operates.......
Although OSHA has no regulation that addresses tobacco smoke as a whole, 29 CFR 1910.1000 Air contaminants, limits employee exposure to several of the main chemical components found in tobacco smoke. In normal situations, exposures would not exceed these permissible exposure limits (PELs), and, as a matter of prosecutorial discretion, OSHA will not apply the General Duty Clause to ETS.
After OSHA came out with this policy ASH one of the biggest anti-smoking lobby’s filed suit against OSHA. They will not tell you this but they dropped the suit because the courts will not touch a case unless the risk ratios are higher then 2 which the vast majority of the studies don’t even come close. Here are their words not mine;
“Action on Smoking and Health (ASH) has agreed to dismiss its law suit against the Occupational Safety and Health Administration [OSHA] to avoid serious harm to the nonsmokers’ rights movement from an adverse action OSHA had threatened to take if forced by the law suit to do so.”

[DOOWOPMARINE]

Originally Posted by FlyByNightRat

When my wife was pregnant with our first child, we both told my mother in law to quit smoking if she would ever spend time and see her first grand child. She was a chain smoker all her adult life and had tried everything and had failed. She went to see a hypnotist ONCE. That was it. Amazing how that works.

Sounds great! In our future society we can provide hypnotists for fat
people, alcoholics,couch potatoes and drug addicts, leaving us with the
perfect society that some people crave! If there is such a thing.

[harleyrider1978]

osha says SHS harms no one and will not set levels to it...........but if forced to do so.........those limits are so minute that that youd have to be in a box 20x20 and lite up 200,000 cigs per hour for 24 hours to even come close to one of oshas levels thats considered harmful..................that shs dog of the ACS dont hunt........

It has taken the liberals 20 plus years to change state laws so they could use public health law to impose socialism upon americans and further erode private property rights.............besides get the population to accept it.........its like getting sold onions for 1000's of dollars and going home thinking youve got gold.

[DOOWOPMARINE]

Originally Posted by lifepgh2op

I think I have to be done with this thread. It seems like an agree to disagree. The smokers have their stance and the supporters of the ban have their stance. It is what it is. PA has a ban after all these years. We'll all deal with it.

Right on.

[dugdogmaster]

Originally Posted by harleyrider1978

senate bill 346 proposes change to ohio's smoking ban : News : Wnwo nbc24

ohio has been hit very hard by the smoking ban,so much so that 6000 businesses have shut down or reduced staffing so much they may as well close down.


Ohio lawmakers are looking to snuff out the state's smoking ban, and a group of toledo residents are jumping on board.

thank you!:d

[dugdogmaster]

I still can't believe that they are making people who smoke on state run campuses leave the campus all together. That is un-friggin-real!

[wowbaby]

honest question here. bars and restaurants are less crowded due to the ban - are you telling me that SMOKING is such a huge part of life that if you can't smoke you can't go? you can't take 2 hours off to eat a nice dinner and smoke once you get to the car? i just dont understand why smokers give up going out and being social b/c they cant smoke inside. i cant imagine having something rule my life so completely that it dictates whether i go out or not.

OR are smokers not going to these places strictly on principle. "i cant smoke there, therefore i am not supporting it" type mentality.

i absolutely mean no disrespect with these questions, i am just curious (and a bit amazed) that smoking will keep people from enjoying a good meal or a fun time with friends in a bar. there is still alcohol at least (for the moment anyway LOL!)

[dugdogmaster]

Originally Posted by wowbaby

honest question here. bars and restaurants are less crowded due to the ban - are you telling me that SMOKING is such a huge part of life that if you can't smoke you can't go? you can't take 2 hours off to eat a nice dinner and smoke once you get to the car? i just dont understand why smokers give up going out and being social b/c they cant smoke inside. i cant imagine having something rule my life so completely that it dictates whether i go out or not.

OR are smokers not going to these places strictly on principle. "i cant smoke there, therefore i am not supporting it" type mentality.

i absolutely mean no disrespect with these questions, i am just curious (and a bit amazed) that smoking will keep people from enjoying a good meal or a fun time with friends in a bar. there is still alcohol at least (for the moment anyway LOL!)

I still go out, and just deal without smoking for a couple hours, or just head outside once in a while. Some people though, don't, on principal alone.