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honest question here. bars and restaurants are less crowded due to the ban - are you telling me that SMOKING is such a huge part of life that if you can't smoke you can't go? you can't take 2 hours off to eat a nice dinner and smoke once you get to the car? i just dont understand why smokers give up going out and being social b/c they cant smoke inside. i cant imagine having something rule my life so completely that it dictates whether i go out or not.
OR are smokers not going to these places strictly on principle. "i cant smoke there, therefore i am not supporting it" type mentality.
i absolutely mean no disrespect with these questions, i am just curious (and a bit amazed) that smoking will keep people from enjoying a good meal or a fun time with friends in a bar. there is still alcohol at least (for the moment anyway LOL!)
I wondered the same exact thing. In addition, why would you smokers want to stop going to your favorite bar or restaurant in protest or to "get even" as the original poster stated, and hurt the business owners? It's not their fault the smoking law passed. Isn't it selfish of you to hurt their livelihood and punish the business owners? Go write your congressman or picket the legislative office or protest in some other way that doesn't hurt the businesses if you feel that strongly.
So there is a government conspiracy to promote smoking bans, and yet somehow OSHA has escaped the conspiracy?
The truth is just that OSHA isn't tasked with assessing general health risks. Their "permissible exposure limits" aren't designed to take into account, say, children or adults with particularly high sensitivities, and generally their mandate is only to protect workers from "recognized hazards that are causing or are likely to cause death or serious physical harm," a standard that allows increased health risks as long as they fall short of the "likely to" threshhold.
But government bodies like the EPA, Department of Health and Human Services, and the Surgeon General do have a broader health mandate, and they have made clear there are various increased health risks associated with exposure to secondhand smoke. Here, by the way, is a link to the EPA's review of this subject:
And again, the reason the EPA has taken these positions isn't because the EPA somehow got caught in a conspiracy that OSHA miraculously escaped. It just reflects OSHA's much more limited mandate in comparison to the EPA's, one which does not attempt to address the overall question of the health risks caused by secondhand smoke.
So there is a government conspiracy to promote smoking bans, and yet somehow OSHA has escaped the conspiracy?
The truth is just that OSHA isn't tasked with assessing general health risks. Their "permissible exposure limits" aren't designed to take into account, say, children or adults with particularly high sensitivities, and generally their mandate is only to protect workers from "recognized hazards that are causing or are likely to cause death or serious physical harm," a standard that allows increased health risks as long as they fall short of the "likely to" threshhold.
But government bodies like the EPA, Department of Health and Human Services, and the Surgeon General do have a broader health mandate, and they have made clear there are various increased health risks associated with exposure to secondhand smoke. Here, by the way, is a link to the EPA's review of this subject:
And again, the reason the EPA has taken these positions isn't because the EPA somehow got caught in a conspiracy that OSHA miraculously escaped. It just reflects OSHA's much more limited mandate in comparison to the EPA's, one which does not attempt to address the overall question of the health risks caused by secondhand smoke.
osha establishes limits based upon at what level humans can be harmed...........period...............dose makes the poison.if your sensitive your gonna be sensitive to anything ,pollen,car exhaust.......... your mothers perfume.........thats a job for an ent or allergist to contend with not govmnt regulations...........the fear factor these people place on shs or ets is unreal and outright lies..........epa and their psudo study from 1993,the one they try and base everything on was thrown out by a federal judge as junk science. Of 28 studies EPA chose the 5 that showed little if any effect on humans as far as shs pr ets was concerned.The rest showed no casual risk at all and said ets or shs was a nusiance and nothing else..........these people are not here for medical reasons their here to impose prohibition on us again.........a step aimed at entering our homes next,all in the name of childrens safety.........ets harms no one not even children...............its a moral sword they use to justify and and condemn anyone who smokes all so that they can push green/progresive laws..........what we dont need is less freedom,what we need is less health scares and the nazis that push it...........
Speaking of all of this prohibition stuff, losing or freedoms, etc, etc. Did you know, it is illegal to drink alcohol outdoors on your own property in the wonderful Commonwealth of Virignia? However, it's hardly known about, or enforced, as most feel it's an absolutely ridiculous law Sorry Creepsinc, but I had to throw that out there.
osha establishes limits based upon at what level humans can be harmed...........period...............dose makes the poison.if your sensitive your gonna be sensitive to anything ,pollen,car exhaust.......... your mothers perfume.........thats a job for an ent or allergist to contend with not govmnt regulations...........the fear factor these people place on shs or ets is unreal and outright lies..........epa and their psudo study from 1993,the one they try and base everything on was thrown out by a federal judge as junk science. Of 28 studies EPA chose the 5 that showed little if any effect on humans as far as shs pr ets was concerned.The rest showed no casual risk at all and said ets or shs was a nusiance and nothing else..........these people are not here for medical reasons their here to impose prohibition on us again.........a step aimed at entering our homes next,all in the name of childrens safety.........ets harms no one not even children...............its a moral sword they use to justify and and condemn anyone who smokes all so that they can push green/progresive laws..........what we dont need is less freedom,what we need is less health scares and the nazis that push it...........
With all due respect, this doesn't make much sense.
With all due respect, this doesn't make much sense.
with all due respect,SHS second hand smoke,ETS environmental tobacco smoke...........anything more and i will have a class to teach folks the facts behind the bans..............
We did the same. We went into a breakfast restaurant that we were unable to go into before.........and it was wonderful.
A group of four family members backed out of it about a year ago, it was so filled with smoke. So we had avoided it...........
This visit was great. Thank goodness.
Again, OSHA is applying a very limited standard, the one contained in Section 5(a)(1) of the OSH Act, which is the one I quoted before. Their mandate is not, as you claimed, to establish limits where any harm to humans could occur.
I am a smoker and I have to say that when they first banned it hear I hated it and some businesses did struggle a little..but now it doesnt bother me really to have to go outside. Its just natural now. I remember going to PA before they banned it and actually thinking it was gross to sit in the smoky bar. Dont worry you will get used to it!
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Sorry Creepsinc, but I had to throw that out there.
