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We also do not live in a capitalist society. Never have. It's partially capitalist, but there's no truly free market anywhere in the world.
I beg to differ! I was in Monte Carlo, Monaco last year and although it is a small country(principate), I would say, it is the place I have felt most comfortable in anywhere in the world. No tax on personal income, no capital gains tax, no inheritance tax, pro-landlord legislation. A true example of laissez-faire Economics.
What sort of barbaric society forces its individuals to compete on a survival-of-the-fittest basis for their very health?
Obama's plan is not "free" health care. It allows those with health care on the market to keep it and works to reduce private sector costs (not take over the private sector) while providing means for people to buy into a universal health care program.
We also do not live in a capitalist society. Never have. It's partially capitalist, but there's no truly free market anywhere in the world.
Lol. Sorry jeeves. HEAR YE! HEARY YE! from this moment on the new and politically correct title of this thread is:
"Will an America with Obama's health care plan destroy our "partially" capitalist society"
Based upon published reports, the Obama “down payment on health care reform” will include:
$634 billion to help pay for health care reform over the next ten years.
$318 billion of that—about half—will come from tax increases that include reducing the mortgage and charity deduction for high income Americans.
Charging wealthier seniors more for the Medicare Part D drug benefit—as is done for Medicare Part B now.
Cutting Medicare HMO payments by $175 billion over ten years.
Reducing Medicare hospital payments by $26 billion over ten years by bundling inpatient and outpatient reimbursement to include the 30-days after discharge.
Cutting Medicare hospital payments by $12 billion over ten years for readmissions resulting from substandard care.
Requiring drug makers to increase the rebates on drugs sold to Medicare patients from 15% to 21% saving $19.5 billion over ten years.
This week, CMS estimated that at present trends annual national health care spending would reach $4.35 trillion or 20% of GDP by 2018.
Hey, Dumbocrat - Why didn't you stay in Monaco if you were so comfortable? That way you would be able to keep everything for yourself.
IMHO having a government managed health care system (preferably paid for with a high deductable highly progressive income tax) would eliminate the biggest deterrent to self employment in this country.
Liberals are all about "equality", so I will be going to work everyday to pay for the healthcare of that lowlife who is unemployed and has 14 kids and other riff raff. Interesting logic!
I have to pay taxes to provide free (socialized!!! government!!!) K through 12 education for this lowlife's 14 kids.
At least with socialized medicine, I'd get some benefit out of my tax dollars for a change.
Currently the private insurance/pharmaceutical conglomerate capitalist beast is doing such a great job as well? I wonder how much of my medical insurance dollar is going to pay for some outrageously compensated CEO's new Maui vacation home, or how much of my prescription dollar is going to pay for Super Bowl ads......
I cant imagine the government doing any worse of job, seriously.
Rather than wonder, why don't you look it up?
Better yet, why don't you just get yourself one of those outrageously compensated CEO jobs yerself.
THe reason there are waiting lists in countries with universal health care is because people are actually RECEIVING the medical care they need. Here in the US, people normally go without or wait until they need a quadruple bipass. Limiting healthcare to the wealthy is not the way to free up the health care system.
Is this something you just dreamed up or do you have some facts to back it up?
Communism, socialism, collectivism..etc. It's not that they are bad things on paper at least. They are, what I would consider, the perfect tool for the beast. I know it sounds simple. The beast forms in the narcissist (in some cases as we have seen throughout history the sociopath) that first realizes he is standing in front of millions and has total control of that crowd. It can happen in religions, governments, cults...etc. It's not that total equality is not admirable. It is not realistic and the examples laid out through history proven that point. If you think America can't fall prey to a narcissistic leadership you are not being reasonable. So every freedom you willingly give you provide a much sharper, more accurate and more efficient than ever tool.
Sometimes answers are simple. The answer into why you want all the freedoms you can get is you can't expect or rely on another fallible human to provide for your welfare no matter how many plans they can plan. If you do you can only expect the erroneous mistakes that come with that choice. If you think religions are cults, watch America during elections, all googlyeyed at someone they barely know and should be thought of as equal to. Instead we idolize them feeding even the most calm narcissist.
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