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Old 03-21-2009, 10:14 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Yeah and we all know how super efficient government is.
Well, the insurance companies sure as H*** aren't efficient, with about a 30% overhead, plus they make a profit. Apparently you have never had to deal with an insurance company over a disputed claim. The right hand usually doesn't know what the left hand is doing; it's a mess. This has been with more than one insurance company.
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Old 03-21-2009, 10:15 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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I think he meant the word (gasp!) "socialism"
You are kidding? What - is this OP into political correctness or something???
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Old 03-21-2009, 10:15 PM
 
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Can you please give me the source for your 50 million number?
The US Census Bureau reported that at the end of 2007 (last year we have data for) there were 45.7 million uninsured Americans.

Given the millions who have lost jobs since then, and the fact that companies are reducing or eliminating health insurance - I am postive that number has increased in the past 15 months...

So if you want an old, probably underestimated number - use the 45.7 million figure.

Census: Uninsured total shrank, incomes rose in 2007 - USATODAY.com
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Old 03-21-2009, 10:15 PM
 
Location: New York, New York
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How do YOU define socialism then? Please educate us ...
Look up the difference .
Socialism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Liberalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 03-21-2009, 10:17 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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The US Census Bureau reported that at the end of 2007 (last year we have data for) there were 45.7 million uninsured Americans.
A) You misquoted that number. There about 30 Million AMERICAN uninsured. The rest are illegal immigrants.

B) You did not answer my question. You said 50 millions (probably a lot more than 50 million) are very unhappy with their health insurance
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Old 03-21-2009, 10:18 PM
 
Location: New York, New York
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"Outrageous" is subjective. Keep in mind that the companies that develop these medications have, often, spent years and 100's of millions of dollars, developing the meds. They have every right to re-coup their investments.

Also, remember that once a med goes generic - they can often be purchased at "outrageously" low rates - I get mine for $4.00 each / $10.00 for a 90 day supply.
I don't know how about 75 dollars for 60 pills for prescription acid reflux pills. Is that not outrageous enough for you.
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Old 03-21-2009, 10:18 PM
 
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Greatday... These are actually some great suggestions that you have presented to us. What do you think about flat rate doctors? This is where the doctor charges a monthly fee for unlimited services. The example I heard about was a NYC doctor trying to ameliorate the uninsured problem. He charged $79 a month with an annual contract, no outside insurances, and no pre disposing condition clause. I just don't understand why NY and MD are trying to develop laws against this.
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Old 03-21-2009, 10:19 PM
 
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Who are you calling a buffoon? If you had read any of the postings of folks who aren't on the UHC bandwagon, you would see that we have raised some serious issues. I'd like some serious answers about these logistics before I begin forking over MORE tax dollars to fund a system that will bring questionable results. The only arguments I've heard favoring UHC are emotional appeals from folks who cannot afford (or were denied) medical insurance and that isn't enough for me to trust our government (democrat or republican) with MORE of my tax dollars! Keep in mind, I used to work for a public agency so I have firsthand experience with governmental inefficiency and bureaucratic ineptitude so forgive me if I'm not on the UHC bandwagon.
There have been a lot more than just 'emotional' appeals from the UHC side - lots of facts have been presented - you just ignore them.
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Old 03-21-2009, 10:20 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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I don't know how about 75 dollars for 60 pills for prescription acid feflux pills. Is that not outrageous enough for you.
Depends on the med - depends on the condition. No, not really outrageious to me
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Old 03-21-2009, 10:22 PM
 
Location: New York, New York
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Depends on the med - depends on the condition. No, not really outrageious to me
The condition is Acid Reflux aka practically constant heart burn. Again 75 dollars for 60 pills.
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