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Old 07-09-2009, 10:25 AM
 
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Palestine is not an officially recognized country, and untill that changes i dont expect its leaders to be any less corrupt.
Palestine and the palestinians need to have a greater degree of sovereignty before they are held responsible for their actions
It doesn't make embezzlement any more right. But you make a valid point.
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Old 07-09-2009, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Near Manito
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Palestine is not an officially recognized country, and untill that changes i dont expect its leaders to be any less corrupt.
Palestine and the palestinians need to have a greater degree of sovereignty before they are held responsible for their actions
On the contrary: the Palestinians need to demonstrate some responsibility for their actions before they can be entrusted with sovereignty. As it is, they represent a silly, corrupt, and diseased group of warring factions whose sole occupations are terror and treachery.
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Old 07-09-2009, 10:42 AM
 
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Maybe this topic deserves a separate thread, but here are a few myths about the Israeli Palestinian conflict that the Arab/Muslim/far left propaganda spreads and are totally incorrect:
1) Occupation - if only Israel withdraws from west bank (and Gaza) and stops building settlements a peace agreement can be easily reached.
2) An independent Palestinian state next to Israel would bring an end to the conflict.
3) Palestinians are a people with unique characteristics that sets them apart from their neighbors. They enjoyed independence until Israel occupied them. Jerusalem was their capital.
4) Arabs have no rights and aren't allowed to vote or run for office in Israel.
5) Palestinians do not support or encourage violence. Israel starts all violent confrontations.
6) An extension of the above: "suicide bombings are a natural response to occupation".
7) The US pays every cent in Israel's budget. US (and other imperialist countries) sent soldiers to fight for Israel. That's why Israel is successful.
8) Muslims aren't allowed to worship at their holy places like Jerusalem.

Sadly, these are just a few myths that many uninformed people around the globe believe in, after being exposed to this propaganda.

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Old 07-09-2009, 10:47 AM
 
Location: Louisiana
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The American people and U.S. taxpayers have a right to voice their opinions or objections about where and how their tax dollars are being spent. And for anyone to lable Taxpaying Americans as a racist, because they have a different point-of-view about the amount of U.S. Foreign Aid given to Israel over the course of the last 48 years... is shameful.
And you have such clairvoyance that you deem the poster's sentiment as not racist?

Gimme a break, will ya.
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Old 07-09-2009, 11:03 AM
 
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And you have such clairvoyance that you deem the poster's sentiment as not racist?

Gimme a break, will ya.
On the face of the statement, it is not racist. If you have a different opinion, please explain.
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Old 07-12-2009, 03:56 AM
 
Location: USA
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Originally Posted by oberon_1 View Post
Maybe this topic deserves a separate thread, but here are a few myths about the Israeli Palestinian conflict that the Arab/Muslim/far left propaganda spreads and are totally incorrect:
1) Occupation - if only Israel withdraws from west bank (and Gaza) and stops building settlements a peace agreement can be easily reached.
2) An independent Palestinian state next to Israel would bring an end to the conflict.
3) Palestinians are a people with unique characteristics that sets them apart from their neighbors. They enjoyed independence until Israel occupied them. Jerusalem was their capital.
4) Arabs have no rights and aren't allowed to vote or run for office in Israel.
5) Palestinians do not support or encourage violence. Israel starts all violent confrontations.
6) An extension of the above: "suicide bombings are a natural response to occupation".
7) The US pays every cent in Israel's budget. US (and other imperialist countries) sent soldiers to fight for Israel. That's why Israel is successful.
8) Muslims aren't allowed to worship at their holy places like Jerusalem.

Sadly, these are just a few myths that many uninformed people around the globe believe in, after being exposed to this propaganda.
look your looking beyond the point...

1)Yes the occupation is the root of the problem, (violence wont end the day the occupation ends, but thats only because time heals)

2) the lack of a palestinians state, and the fact that most palestinians have no nationality is a great concern, and i dont see peace without some sort of citizenship for palestinians

3) Palestinians are unique? what group of people is unique? jews arent that unique too.
But we have to understand that for the last 60 years the palestinians had lived a very distinct history that other arabs can not relate too.

4) the arabs in Israel.
first Israel sets claim to all historic palestine, yet only a handfull of arabs have been granted israeli nationality. (all the arabs that are currently living in area of the west bank and gaza have no right in citizenship in the country that claims to be the rightfull owner of their lands)

Arabs are not allowed to marry non israeli arabs or refugees. (from gaza or the west bank)

5) palestinians do encourage violence, i agree most are not pacifists. (most is some sort of revenge attacks)

6) the difference between Suicide bombings and attacks by the IDF and israel, is that the suicide bomber dies.

7) the US does pay a lot, not everything but enought so keep israeli domination of the region.

8) some muslims are allowed to pary in jerusalem but not most, and there are quite a few restrictions
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Old 07-12-2009, 05:53 AM
 
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Israel has prospered because its people have enjoyed economic freedom while its neighbors have lived under totalitarianism of one type or another.
Who's fsult is that....of the people in charge who rather put bombs arounds the bodis of the people in their country so the can blow them self up and killing others instead of getting an education and make something of their life...or keep throwing stones....

If the people would realize how many inventions came from Israel, than you know they did something good with their lifes so they could make other peoples life's easier as well....Remote control, Intel, etc...
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Old 07-18-2009, 02:45 AM
 
Location: USA
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I do not see hoe palestine can prosper without being a recognized nation
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