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Old 03-25-2009, 02:06 PM
 
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How many other nations also benefit from United States generosity...and never get criticized?
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Old 03-25-2009, 03:12 PM
 
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How many other nations also benefit from United States generosity...and never get criticized?
Let's start with Egypt, shall we?

USAID Feature: Egypt Stories - U.S. Aid to Egypt Totals $28 Billion in Three Decades (http://www.usaid.gov/our_work/features/egypt/ - broken link)
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Old 03-25-2009, 03:58 PM
 
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Let's start with Egypt, shall we?

USAID Feature: Egypt Stories - U.S. Aid to Egypt Totals $28 Billion in Three Decades (http://www.usaid.gov/our_work/features/egypt/ - broken link)
I figured there might be others!
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Old 03-25-2009, 05:13 PM
 
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How many other nations also benefit from United States generosity...and never get criticized?
Well there are certainly other nations that benefit from America's generosity but none in the world at all like Israel, as Israel stands alone in the level of "togetherness" it shares with the United States.

Nearly 10% of Israel's economic well being is based upon the generosity of its wealthy uncle, the United States. While the US provides countries like Egypt and Columbia (ranked 2 and 3) are recipients of American tax payer dollars, both pale in comparison the level of socio-political-economic support that is given by the US to Israel.

There is no doubt that Israel is by far the most awesomely progressive country in the region, but that is like comparing dung heaps to someone who at least digs a hole to defecate in.

Truth is Israel could not even exist in the long term if it weren't for its rich uncle Sam in the west. If Israel were forced to simply live on its own means alone, it would be dead in less than a decade.

Experts: Israel heading for economic crisis in 2009
Experts: Israel heading for economic crisis in 2009 - Haaretz - Israel News
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"Israel hasn't yet experienced the peak of the crisis," said Brodet.
"It seems that 2009 is expected to be a cold and maybe even unpleasant year."
Israel is at least powerful because the United States makes it so, thanks to tax payers.


btw... did you know that it is illegal for a US business to boycott Israel? It is the only nation to have such a law passed on its behalf.

btw... did you know that no matter how bad our economy is that the United States guarantees strategic oil reserves to the nation of Israel, even if we are in the middle of a oil crisis that forces US gas prices skyrocketing?
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Old 03-25-2009, 05:28 PM
 
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Well there are certainly other nations that benefit from America's generosity but none in the world at all like Israel, as Israel stands alone in the level of "togetherness" it shares with the United States.
Given our special relationship with Canada and Great Britain, that point is highly debatable.

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Nearly 10% of Israel's economic well being is based upon the generosity of its wealthy uncle, the United States.
The same could easily be said of our generosity toward many countries. The US, for example, operates a welfare system solely for the benefit of Mexico, the citizens of which pass freely and without legal restaint between the two countries, exempt for some reason from the immigration laws governing the citizens of any other nation...

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There is no doubt that Israel is by far the most awesomely progressive country in the region, but that is like comparing dung heaps to someone who at least digs a hole to defecate in.
The former being Gaza and the latter being Lebanon.

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Truth is Israel could not even exist in the long term if it weren't for its rich uncle Sam in the west. If Israel were forced to simply live on its own means alone, it would be dead in less than a decade.
Would, could, should. Weasal words for losers. If the Arab states would smarten up and move out of the thirteenth century with their revenge fantasies and medieval atttitudes toward women and minorities, Uncle Sugar would burp them forever. They're just not smart enough to get it.

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Israel is at least powerful because the United States makes it so, thanks to tax payers.
Israel is powerful because it kicks ass and takes names. Every time.


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btw... did you know that it is illegal for a US business to boycott Israel? It is the only nation to have such a law passed on its behalf.

btw... did you know that no matter how bad our economy is that the United States guarantees strategic oil reserves to the nation of Israel, even if we are in the middle of a oil crisis that forces US gas prices skyrocketing?
btw...did you know that Israel conducts its foreign policy in its own best interests, like every other developed country in the cotton-picking world, with the notable motivation of being composed of Holocaust survivors who are bound and determined not to be the victims of mass murder a second time?
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Old 03-25-2009, 05:57 PM
 
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Comparing the amount of U.S. foreign aid given to Egypt vs Israel is like comparing apples to oranges. Egypt has a population of over 70 million people, therefore, $28 billion over 30 years is not a significant amount of money for such a large population. On the other hand, over $184 billion given to Israel over the same 30 year period of years makes a country of only 8 million people a very, very wealthy. Secondly, foreign aid is only part of the monies U.S. taxpayers give to Israel. As mentioned in previous posts, if corporate subsidies, grants, and all the other "under the counter" monies being provided to Israel is included the "true amount" of U.S. taxpayer monies going to Israel is astronomical. Also, foreign aid and assistance money given to Egypt is appeasement money as a condition or reward to the Egyptians for keeping peace with Israel.

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Old 03-25-2009, 06:22 PM
 
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Comparing the amount of U.S. foreign aid given to Egypt vs Israel is like comparing apples to oranges. Egypt has a population of over 70 million people, therefore, $28 billion over 30 years is not a significant amount of money for such a large population. On the other hand, over $184 billion given to Israel over the same 30 year period of years makes a country of only 8 million people a very, very wealthy. Secondly, foreign aid is only part of the monies U.S. taxpayers give to Israel. As mentioned in previous posts, if corporate subsidies, grants, and all the other "under the counter" monies being provided to Israel is included the "true amount" of U.S. taxpayer monies going to Israel astronomical. Also, foreign aid and assistance money given to Egypt is appeasement money as a condition or reward to the Egyptians for to keeping peace with Israel.
You get points! I myself forgot we pay Egypt to play nicely in the sand box-Add that into Israels "secret money from the public" balance. If it is printed in the papers? Page 3 with the "official" amounts. Those amounts don't scratch the surface. I also read Doctors, lawyers etc. can send as much as they want to Israel and get a tax break too! Simply amazing. Uncle Sam (we) are taking it nicely, well bent over and grasping at the ankles I might add...

I'm glad to see Americans flaming mad about AIG. A few peasley millions. I'd like to re-direct that anger at the Federal Reserve, Media and everywhere else the money has been going and who created the mess in the first place. Who gave the cheap money out and lots of it-Federal Reserve, Who lent the money?-Banks. Who feeds you bull on a daily basis-Media

If we cut off Israels aid this year, we could fix, repair and paint every single bridge in America. I'm all for it, all the jobs, and nice fresh painted bridges to look at on my drive through our free country. It's time people we cut the bull from everywhere. It's f'n time WE take back OUR country.
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Old 03-25-2009, 06:31 PM
 
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Given our special relationship with Canada and Great Britain, that point is highly debatable.
Well our relationship and "closeness" with Israel is NOT debatable, as Israel has as its sole nation status a "special relationship" with the United States. Now I'm not making this up, this is the very wording used by the United States State Department and our relationship with Israel is very much unlike that of the UK, or Germany, or France or ANY other nation, hence the reason why the state department calls it a "special relationship".

Can you name one other country where it is against the law to boycott their products other than Israel?

Can you name one other country that has a State Department definition of hate speech to strongly disagree with US policy towards that nation or the nation directly as "hate speech"?



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The same could easily be said of our generosity toward many countries. The US, for example, operates a welfare system solely for the benefit of Mexico, the citizens of which pass freely and without legal restaint between the two countries, exempt for some reason from the immigration laws governing the citizens of any other nation...
The same cannot be said of those nations, as while we may provide aid, we do not provide for the level of aid in which we provide Israel, the worlds 16th most wealthy nation, on par with most European nations. The US guarantees that even if we as American suffer a oil embargo, that we as Americans will be sure to provide Israel with all the oil it desires and needs. What other nation has such an agreement?

American foreign policy is a monster that provides aid to both sides, Israel and its Arab neighbors with singular and mono-polar recognition in favor of Israel. For instance, consider the following...

1. Resolution 42: The Palestine Question (5 March 1948) Requests recommendations for the Palestine Commission
2. Resolution 43: The Palestine Question (1 Apr 1948) Recognizes "increasing violence and disorder in Palestine" and requests that representatives of "the Jewish Agency for Palestine and the Arab Higher Committee" arrange, with the Security Council, "a truce between the Arab and Jewish Communities of Palestine...Calls upon Arab and Jewish armed groups in Palestine to cease acts of violence immediately."
3. Resolution 44: The Palestine Question (1 Apr 1948) Requests convocation of special session of the General Assembly
4. Resolution 46: The Palestine Question (17 Apr 1948) As the United Kingdom is the Mandatory Power, "it is responsible for the maintenance of peace and order in Palestine." The Resolutions also "Calls upon all persons and organizations in Palestine" to stop importing "armed bands and fighting personnel...whatever their origin;...weapons and war materials;...Refrain, pending the future government of Palestine...from any political activity which might prejudice the rights, claims, or position of either community;...refrain from any action which will endager the safety of the Holy Places in Palestine."
5. Resolution 48: The Palestine Question (23 Apr 1948)
6. Resolution 49: The Palestine Question (22 May 1948)
7. Resolution 50: The Palestine Question (29 May 1948)
8. Resolution 53: The Palestine Question (7 Jul 1948)
9. Resolution 54: The Palestine Question (15 Jul 1948)
10. Resolution 56: The Palestine Question (19 Aug 1948)
11. Resolution 57: The Palestine Question (18 Sep 1948)
12. Resolution 59: The Palestine Question (19 Oct 1948)
13. Resolution 60: The Palestine Question (29 Oct 1948)
14. Resolution 61: The Palestine Question (4 Nov 1948)
15. Resolution 62: The Palestine Question (16 Nov 1948)
16. Resolution 66: The Palestine Question (29 Dec 1948)
17. Resolution 72: The Palestine Question (11 Aug 1949)
18. Resolution 73: The Palestine Question (11 Aug 1949)
19. Resolution 89 (17 November 1950): regarding Armistice in 1948 Arab-Israeli War and "transfer of persons".
20. Resolution 92: The Palestine Question (8 May 1951)
21. Resolution 93: The Palestine Question (18 May 1951)
22. Resolution 95: The Palestine Question (1 Sep 1951)
23. Resolution 100: The Palestine Question (27 Oct 1953)
24. Resolution 101: The Palestine Question (24 Nov 1953)
25. Resolution 106: The Palestine Question (29 Mar 1955) 'condemns' Israel for Gaza raid.
26. Resolution 107: The Palestine Question (30 Mar)
27. Resolution 108: The Palestine Question (8 Sep)
28. Resolution 111: " ... 'condemns' Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people".
29. Resolution 127: " ... 'recommends' Israel suspends its 'no-man's zone' in Jerusalem".
30. Resolution 162: " ... 'urges' Israel to comply with UN decisions".
31. Resolution 171: " ... determines flagrant violations' by Israel in its attack on Syria".
32. Resolution 228: " ... 'censures' Israel for its attack on Samu in the West Bank, then under Jordanian control".
33. Resolution 237: " ... 'urges' Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees".
34. Resolution 242 (November 22, 1967): Termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgement of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area. Calls on Israel's neighbors to end the state of belligerency and calls upon Israel to reciprocate by withdraw its forces from land claimed by other parties in 1967 war. Interpreted commonly today as calling for the Land for peace principle as a way to resolve Arab-Israeli conflict
35. Resolution 248: " ... 'condemns' Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan".
36. Resolution 250: " ... 'calls' on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem".
37. Resolution 251: " ... 'deeply deplores' Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250".
38. Resolution 252: " ... 'declares invalid' Israel's acts to unify Jerusalem as Jewish capital".
39. Resolution 256: " ... 'condemns' Israeli raids on Jordan as 'flagrant violation".
40. Resolution 259: " ... 'deplores' Israel's refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation".
41. Resolution 262: " ... 'condemns' Israel for attack on Beirut airport".
42. Resolution 265: " ... 'condemns' Israel for air attacks for Salt in Jordan".
43. Resolution 267: " ... 'censures' Israel for administrative acts to change the status of Jerusalem".
44. Resolution 270: " ... 'condemns' Israel for air attacks on villages in southern Lebanon".
45. Resolution 271: " ... 'condemns' Israel's failure to obey UN resolutions on Jerusalem".
46. Resolution 279: " ... 'demands' withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon".
47. Resolution 280: " ... 'condemns' Israeli's attacks against Lebanon".
48. Resolution 285: " ... 'demands' immediate Israeli withdrawal form Lebanon".
49. Resolution 298: " ... 'deplores' Israel's changing of the status of Jerusalem".
50. Resolution 313: " ... 'demands' that Israel stop attacks against Lebanon".
51. Resolution 316: " ... 'condemns' Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon".
52. Resolution 317: " ... 'deplores' Israel's refusal to release Arabs abducted in Lebanon".
53. Resolution 332: " ... 'condemns' Israel's repeated attacks against Lebanon".
54. Resolution 337: " ... 'condemns' Israel for violating Lebanon's sovereignty".
55. Resolution 338 (22 October 1973): cease fire in Yom Kippur War
56. Resolution 339 (23 October 1973): Confirms Res. 338, dispatch UN observers.
57. Resolution 347: " ... 'condemns' Israeli attacks on Lebanon".
58. Resolution 425 (1978): " ... 'calls' on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon". Israel's withdrawal from Lebanon was completed as of 16 June 2000.
59. Resolution 350 (31 May 1974) established the United Nations Disengagement Observer Force, to monitor the ceasefire between Israel and Syria in the wake of the Yom Kippur War.
60. Resolution 427: " ... 'calls' on Israel to complete its withdrawal from Lebanon".
61. Resolution 444: " ... 'deplores' Israel's lack of cooperation with UN peacekeeping forces".
62. Resolution 446 (1979): 'determines' that Israeli settlements are a 'serious obstruction' to peace and calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention".
63. Resolution 450: " ... 'calls' on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon".
64. Resolution 452: " ... 'calls' on Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories".
65. Resolution 465: " ... 'deplores' Israel's settlements and asks all member states not to assist Israel's settlements program".
66. Resolution 467: " ... 'strongly deplores' Israel's military intervention in Lebanon".
67. Resolution 468: " ... 'calls' on Israel to rescind illegal expulsions of two Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their return".
68. Resolution 469: " ... 'strongly deplores' Israel's failure to observe the council's order not to deport Palestinians".
69. Resolution 471: " ... 'expresses deep concern' at Israel's failure to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention".
70. Resolution 476: " ... 'reiterates' that Israel's claim to Jerusalem are 'null and void'".
71. Resolution 478 (20 August 1980): 'censures (Israel) in the strongest terms' for its claim to Jerusalem in its 'Basic Law'.
72. Resolution 484: " ... 'declares it imperative' that Israel re-admit two deported Palestinian mayors".
73. Resolution 487: " ... 'strongly condemns' Israel for its attack on Iraq's nuclear facility".
74. Resolution 497 (17 December 1981) decides that Israel's annexation of Syria's Golan Heights is 'null and void' and demands that Israel rescinds its decision forthwith.
75. Resolution 498: " ... 'calls' on Israel to withdraw from Lebanon".
76. Resolution 501: " ... 'calls' on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and withdraw its troops".
77. Resolution 508:
78. Resolution 509: " ... 'demands' that Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and unconditionally from Lebanon".
79. Resolution 515: " ... 'demands' that Israel lift its siege of Beirut and allow food supplies to be brought in".
80. Resolution 517: " ... 'censures' Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions and demands that Israel withdraw its forces from Lebanon".
81. Resolution 518: " ... 'demands' that Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in Lebanon".
82. Resolution 520: " ... 'condemns' Israel's attack into West Beirut".
83. Resolution 573: " ... 'condemns' Israel 'vigorously' for bombing Tunisia in attack on PLO headquarters.
84. Resolution 587 " ... 'takes note' of previous calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon and urges all parties to withdraw".
85. Resolution 592: " ... 'strongly deplores' the killing of Palestinian students at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops".
86. Resolution 605: " ... 'strongly deplores' Israel's policies and practices denying the human rights of Palestinians.
87. Resolution 607: " ... 'calls' on Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly requests it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention.
88. Resolution 608: " ... 'deeply regrets' that Israel has defied the United Nations and deported Palestinian civilians".
89. Resolution 636: " ... 'deeply regrets' Israeli deportation of Palestinian civilians.
90. Resolution 641: " ... 'deplores' Israel's continuing deportation of Palestinians.
91. Resolution 672: " ... 'condemns' Israel for "violence against Palestinians" at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount.
92. Resolution 673: " ... 'deplores' Israel's refusal to cooperate with the United Nations.
93. Resolution 681: " ... 'deplores' Israel's resumption of the deportation of Palestinians.
94. Resolution 694: " ... 'deplores' Israel's deportation of Palestinians and calls on it to ensure their safe and immediate return.
95. Resolution 726: " ... 'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of Palestinians.
96. Resolution 799: ". . . 'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of 413 Palestinians and calls for their immediate return.
97. Resolution 1559 (2 September 2004) called upon Lebanon to establish its sovereignty over all of its land and called upon Syria to end their military presence in Lebanon by withdrawing its forces and to cease intervening in internal Lebanese politics. The resolution also called on all Lebanese militias to disband.
98. Resolution 1583 (28 January 2005) calls on Lebanon to assert full control over its border with Israel. It also states that "the Council has recognized the Blue Line as valid for the purpose of confirming Israel's withdrawal pursuant to resolution 425.
99. Resolution 1648 (21 December 2005) renewed the mandate of United Nations Disengagement Observer Force until 30 June 2006.
100. Resolution 1701 (11 August 2006) called for the full cessation of hostilities between Israel and Hezbollah.
101. Resolution 1860 (9 January 2009) called for the full cessation of war between Israel and Hamas.


Now out of those many UN resolutions, how many did the United States veto? I have the number in case you are interested because it is essentially all of them.

So, why is it that the United States goes to war over a SINGLE UN resolution with Iraq, yet forgives the countless UN resolutions against Israel?

If the UN is biased in favor against Israel then one might wonder why it favored the resolution against Iraq, but then again we know the difference between a strong arm and a evidence.


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Would, could, should. Weasal words for losers. If the Arab states would smarten up and move out of the thirteenth century with their revenge fantasies and medieval atttitudes toward women and minorities, Uncle Sugar would burp them forever. They're just not smart enough to get it.
Ok, if Israel isn't the "would, coulda, shoulda" weasal type then why do they accept US hand outs like a beggar on the street looking for a crack fix?

If Israel is so progressive, so strong, so modern, then why does it need the United States tax payers to fund nearly 10% of its existence. After all if it is the superior, gem that it is, then why does it need all this foreign aid? If it is a gem and a grand place that doesn't need foreign aid, then why does the United States tax payer have to be required to fund a foreign nation above its own, especially in times of economic crisis? After all, if Israel is the golden calf of the Middle East then surely they don't need the United States propping them up like some third world tin pot government, right?

Israel is powerful because it kicks ass and takes names. Every time.


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btw...did you know that Israel conducts its foreign policy in its own best interests, like every other developed country in the cotton-picking world, with the notable motivation of being composed of Holocaust survivors who are bound and determined not to be the victims of mass murder a second time?
Israel I so love... it is welcome to pursue whatever interests it sees fit. If Israel wants to harvest rainbows and sunshine, then rock on... congratulations, I'm happy for them. If Israel wants to slaughter its neighbors which it sees as enemies, then oh be to joy, good for them, they are welcome to do as they see fit for their own interest. I don't want to tell Israel what is best for them, but I also don't want US foreign policy being formulated around Israel either.

I care about the United States of American FIRST, not Israel, not the UK not Egypt and none of those countries interest are OUR interest no matter how much someone tells you that they are. I'm all for Israel doing whatever Israel wants to do, they should have that right, but for the love of God, they will not do it at the expense of my country, the United States of America. We are not a free hand out, we are not a free ride, we have our own people to consider FIRST.
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Old 03-25-2009, 06:40 PM
 
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Truth is Israel could not even exist in the long term if it weren't for its rich uncle Sam in the west. If Israel were forced to simply live on its own means alone, it would be dead in less than a decade.
These statements could also well be made about every country on the continent of Africa, with the exception of South Africa.
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Old 03-25-2009, 06:43 PM
 
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These statements could also well be made about every country on the continent of Africa, with the exception of South Africa.
So then, if this is in fact the case then Israel is really on par with some sub-Saharan country in Africa?
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