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jeep, how did that work exactly? Did registration of all firearms come first and then the ban on semiautos? Did they then use the knowledge of the registration to contact those that owned the semiautos?
I don't live in Cal. (and never will) so I don't know all the exact details. All's I know is that you got rid of the gun or it was confiscated. And yes, they knew just who had them and who to go to to get them because of registration.
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Registration laws cannot be applied to felons as it would be self incrimination.
Only those who are not felons can be prosecuted for not registering a firearm.
How does this stop gun crime exactly??
That's not true... you can read my summary of the Haynes case or the case itself and you'll see that your argument is not true but I doubt you'll stop repeating it. It's not a legitimate reason against registration. The only legitimate reason I have read against the ban is that it is overly broad and captures guns that don't pose a special threat of harm to society. Otherwise, I think registration is essential if law enforcement is to be given the tools to track the flow of illegal firearms in this country. I don't see how it harms the gun enthusiast other than the dire predictions of registrations eventually led to confiscation.
We hold that a proper claim of the constitutional privilege against self-incrimination provides a full defense to prosecutions either for failure to register a firearm under sec.5841 or for possession of an unregistered firearm under sec.5851.
I would love some thug to break into her house in the middle of the night and for her to be in a situation where her life is at stake and she has to make a split second decion, where a cell phone or her lap dog won't save her, and the only thing that would be is if she packed some heat. Unfortunately, these people already have safety and security guards and whatever so they don't think about such things as the bad guys, and why people have the right to arm themselves against them AND tyranny.
Read the case or read my summary... the holding was specific to a law that basically only required criminals to register... not a general law that would require everyone to register... the former is unconstitutional as ruled by the court... the latter is constitutional even if a felon is nabbed during the registration process.
If a nationwide registration of firearms was passed, how would felons who cannot legally possess firearms not be incriminating themselves by registering those firearms?
You could not prosecute a felon for failing to register as registering a firearm by the felon would be self incrimination.
Not being up on gun laws, I have a couple thoughts.
Registering guns makes sense. It just does, but criminals don't use legitamately registered guns. How does gun registration quell crime? It doesn't.
In the OP, Pelosi said something about keeping guns from crossing state lines. What country does she live in? Nobody can be stopped from carrying a gun, or anything else across STATE lines. People carry dead bodies across state lines. Unless she thinks she can put border patrol along every state line in America, she'll have to rethink that one.
I do think automatic weapons and assault weapons should be outlawed.
The weapons you cite HAVE been 'outlawed'. For general civilian possesion. Since 1938. Oh, you can get one, for a nominal fee( total cost with all the red tape...bout 10-15 grand) and by letting the ATF and FBI crawl over you with an electron microscope. I fail to see how a national rgistration requirement will do anything. If a legal buyer sells a gun to a creep, and he did ye ol' 4473 on the purchase, and the creep gets caught using the weapon in a crime, the legal buyer can be tracked using the 4473. So, technically, we already have a 'registration' in place. Requireing that folks take all their guns to the police station, or whatever, and declare them all...well, what would that accomplish?
If a nationwide registration of firearms was passed, how would felons who cannot legally possess firearms not be incriminating themselves by registering those firearms?
You could not prosecute a felon for failing to register as registering a firearm by the felon would be self incrimination.
Ok... you're the expert... just do yourself a favor and read the case...
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