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Old 05-19-2009, 09:28 AM
 
Location: The Silver State (from the UK)
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The Bible is to be followed and adhered to in order to be a true Christian, which you obviously are not.

I do not have my head in a donkey, but thank you for the advice.

The only psychotic is you.


From reading your posts I would think it reasonably fair to assume that you have never left your native country? And you certainly haven't been to the middle east, or have any 'Islamic' friends?

1. Didn't Martin Luther king Jnr (who used his religious convictions for positive change) believe that an 'eye for an eye' was dangerous because it led to revenge after revenge, rather than peaceful outcomes???

2. 5 billion people on the planet are not Christians and therefore not interested in your religious dogma. This is the biggest reason that religion shouldn't interfere with foreign policy.

3. The reason that torturing is not "ok" is beyond obvious. If you don't get that, I suggest you read something other than the old testament.

4. I have many friends that follow Islam just as peacfully as many follow Christianity. I have also visited many countries in the middle east (somewhere that you might actually learn that people are pretty much the same wherever they are), and find your posts about "rag head terrorists" deeply insulting.

 
Old 05-19-2009, 09:29 AM
 
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So, you see in that "justification"? Be detailed in your response.
How about your own words:

1) The next time a pissed off muslim blows up a bunch of American citizens, OP, don't even think the words "they hate us for our freedom". Ok? Do. You. Understand?

They hate us for our actions.

2) We invaded Iraq and then stuck around in Saudi. This pissed off muslims, who attacked us several times. 9/11 was the largest of the attacks.


There it is. Its your view, so quit playing your semantical games and stand by it. You are hardly the only one who thinks Al Qaeda is in the right. Not a few people in both the Islamic world and the West would agree with you.
 
Old 05-19-2009, 09:30 AM
 
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1. Didn't Martin Luther king Jnr (who used his religious convictions for positive change) believe that an 'eye for an eye' was dangerous because it led to revenge after revenge, rather than peaceful outcomes???
His pacifism came from his interactions from Ghandi, who found inspiration for non-violence in the Jains.
 
Old 05-19-2009, 09:30 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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Why is torturing terrorists so horrible according to the libs?


Because when you act like a terrorist you ARE a terrorist.

America should have higher standards than terrorists.

If you abandon your principles because you're a scared little weinie then you had NO principles to start with.


Torture does not work.

It has been used "just for the fun of it".


There is NO proof that it works but plenty of proof that it gets none-to-bad results.

When people are tortured they tend to tell the torturer what they want to hear not what the truth is.

Torturing people creates people who like to torture.

There is NO clear line about WHO gets tortured.
if your family was being held captive and would be killed in 24 hours. if you had captured one of the kidnapeers would you waterboard them to to save your family?


if we captured a terrorist and they had said there was a dirty bomb on a timer set to go off in 12 hours in a major city. Would you waterboard them in an effort to save lives?
 
Old 05-19-2009, 09:30 AM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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USNews.com: Political Bulletin: Friday, January 23, 2009
Obama: Close Gitmo Within Year

Media reports are casting President Obama's move to close down the Guantanamo prison one of three executive orders he signed yesterday dealing with terrorism suspects in a positive light and as an indication that he is wasting no time in reshaping Bush-era policies . . .

The Financial Times notes "several top Republicans raised concerns that Mr Obama was giving too many rights to detainees and had not explained how he would protect Americans from terrorism suspects brought to the US."

Please point to anywhere in that article where it says that Obama is giving terrorists citizenship.

Other than that, I do agree with him closing down Gitmo. A symbolic move more than anything else, but a step in the right direction.
 
Old 05-19-2009, 09:31 AM
 
Location: um....guess
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USNews.com: Political Bulletin: Friday, January 23, 2009
Obama: Close Gitmo Within Year

Media reports are casting President Obama's move to close down the Guantanamo prison one of three executive orders he signed yesterday dealing with terrorism suspects in a positive light and as an indication that he is wasting no time in reshaping Bush-era policies . . .

The Financial Times notes "several top Republicans raised concerns that Mr Obama was giving too many rights to detainees and had not explained how he would protect Americans from terrorism suspects brought to the US."
Did you read your own link? Please outline where it states that Obama will release the detainees into the U.S. AND make them citizens? Please point that out.
 
Old 05-19-2009, 09:32 AM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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if your family was being held captive and would be killed in 24 hours. if you had captured one of the kidnapeers would you waterboard them to to save your family?
No.


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if we captured a terrorist and they had said there was a dirty bomb on a timer set to go off in 12 hours in a major city. Would you waterboard them in an effort to save lives?
No.
 
Old 05-19-2009, 09:32 AM
 
Location: America's heartland
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I do the exact same thing, he's really wasting his time if he actually thinks I'm reading it.
It does not matter at this point whether you read them or not, does it? You are a stubborn, closed-minded atheist that apparently will not change.

When it is your time, the only thing you will be reading is your directions to your eternal home.

TO HELL
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Old 05-19-2009, 09:35 AM
 
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How about your own words:

1) The next time a pissed off muslim blows up a bunch of American citizens, OP, don't even think the words "they hate us for our freedom". Ok? Do. You. Understand?

They hate us for our actions.

2) We invaded Iraq and then stuck around in Saudi. This pissed off muslims, who attacked us several times. 9/11 was the largest of the attacks.


There it is. Its your view, so quit playing your semantical games and stand by it. You are hardly the only one who thinks Al Qaeda is in the right. Not a few people in both the Islamic world and the West would agree with you.
So, let us walk you though this.

My position:

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We invaded Iraq and then stuck around in Saudi. This pissed off muslims, who attacked us several times. 9/11 was the largest of the attacks.
Your position:

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We then left Iraq and were invited by the Saudis to post garrisons on their soil so as to protect them from Iraq. Like all stationing of troops, this was governed by a Status of Forces Agreement, giving the Saudis full freedom to evict us whenever they liked. Yes, this was not liked by Al Qaeda and they have used it as a pretext.
Why do you justify terrorism?


Or, better yet:

Justification: something (such as a fact or circumstance) that shows an action to be reasonable or necessary;

I made no statement as to something being "reasonable" or "necessary", re: terrorist attacks against the the US or American interests. Like you, I merely drew a line from our actions and the consequence of our actions.


What's you education and vocation?
 
Old 05-19-2009, 09:36 AM
 
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It does not matter at this point whether you read them or not, does it? You are a stubborn, closed-minded atheist that apparently will not change.

When it is your time, the only thing you will be reading is your directions to your eternal home.

TO HELL
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James 3:18: But the wisdom that comes from heaven is first of all pure; then peace-loving, considerate, submissive, full of mercy and good gruit, impartial and sincere. Peacemakers who sow in peace raise a harest of righteousness.

May you find peace in the Lord, yikes.
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