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Alot of the workers in Detroit had a strong work ethic- working at the GM plant 30+ years. Then tens of thousands were outsourced. What are they supposed to do at age 55+ with a family to support, no healthcare?
But whos fault is it? Should the company be required to take care of their employees; what is the saying, craddle to grave?
If they find a cheaper way to run their company then they have every right to take it. Alot of these factory workers received pretty decent pay and good benefits for a manual labor job, became unionized and pretty much priced themselves out of a job.
The company probably couldn't win the the union. I'm sure they probably requested paycuts which were spurned by the union, so they were in essence forced to outsource.
The company, and society is not responsible for their healthcare. To solve this problem if companies payed higher salaries and expected employees to save for their own health care needs I feel this would be a better option.
If they find a cheaper way to run their company then they have every right to take it.
The problem is that it's Republicans and their tax polices that have made it cheaper for companies to move jobs overseas. It's called "unrepatriated earnings", and it works like this: Foreign subsidiaries of American companies are no longer required to pay U.S. taxes on their foreign earnings. So, they ship off production -- and jobs -- to foreign countries with a lower tax rate. President Bush supports this and other similar laws that make it more profitable for companies to lay off their American workers and ship the jobs out of the country.
The reason the GOP supports things like this is because the corporations that benefit are the primary supporters of the GOP.
And, we got here on a discussion of Rove, because Rove is the political mastermind of the Bush administration.
The reason the GOP supports things like this is because the corporations that benefit are the primary supporters of the GOP.
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The company, and society is not responsible for their healthcare. To solve this problem if companies payed higher salaries and expected employees to save for their own health care needs I feel this would be a better option.
There are no easy solutions but:
I MIGHT consider believing a company(employer) and society are not responsible for workers' healthcare just as soon as Congressmen vote to eliminate their own and that of every other government worker and lower our taxes that are paying the bill.
What makes you think companies will be willing to pay higher salaries so workers can pay for their own healthcare if they can outsource, pay lower salaries, and healthcare be damned? Maybe we should outsource Congress ?
Alot of the workers in Detroit had a strong work ethic- working at the GM plant 30+ years. Then tens of thousands were outsourced. What are they supposed to do at age 55+ with a family to support, no healthcare?
Maybe they should think about moving out of detroit and to a more business freindly area, say like Kentucky and go to work for Toyota!
But pslOldTimer don't you know, the Republicans are to blame for everything!
I know you're being delicately sarcastic, but since you brought it up...
...The Republicans as they have been operating are responsible for most of our problems. The party of Tom DeLay and Orrin Hatch and Bill McCullum and Robert Barr, as well as the Bush administration, are to blame for everything that is wrong, and only accidentally responsible for anything that has gone right.
While Nixon was bad, Ford was ineffective, Reagan was dumb and Bush Sr. floundered, the real problems caused by Republicans started with their hatred of Bill Clinton. They were absolutely determined that they would destroy any chance of him being considered effective. They used lies and misleading ads to destroy Hilary's health initiative (only to adopt it later, as Medicare Advantage plans), they trumped up phony charges about Whitewater and misused the power of government to turn it into a witch hunt that eventually caught the President in a situation where every other leader had been give a pass. People like Richard Mellon Scaife used their money to concoct phony charges, support outright lies and basically subvert the elected government, all without concern for the well-being of the nation.
Despite themselves, Clinton managed to be re-elected and led us through some of the best prosperity known in the past century. Furious, the GOP used the power of conservative judges to steal the 2000 election from the winner of the popular vote, after using the contender's brother and his cronies to rig the Florida election rolls.
What has happened in the years since is known by just about everyone, except for the 29% who still can't admit they were wrong.
Now, read this next part carefully. NOWHERE HAVE I SAID THAT THE DEMOCRATS ARE MUCH BETTER, OR THAT THEY ARE FREE OF SIN THEMSELVES.
Do not make the mistake of trying to label me as a "liberal elitist" or whatever someone tried to pin on me the other day. I am not FOR anyone; I am AGAINST the incompetence and criminal misbehavior of the present administration, and blame the Republicans for being so blind they let it happen. Example? How many Republicans knew about Mark Foley but did nothing about it because they needed his vote? Multiply that one by dozens, if not hundreds.
I have voted for Republicans in the past and will likely do so again in the future if they ever get their heads out of their butts and pay attention to the deceit of their current leaders and the corruption of their supporters (as represented by Abramahoff).
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