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Did you see the poll on political affiliation, Colomonter--this is a very mixed forum (according to the numbers) and I don't think for a minute the moderator(s) of this board participates in these discussions--nor that he/she is unfair.
It is actually unfair of you to make this call without any substantiation!
Yes, I've seen the poll...I have participated in it. A little over 100 votes does not make a representative survey at this point in time IMO. I will wait for more votes, although I agree that this seems to be a very mixed forum.
I would like to see a poll on the moderaters political affiliation only, it is my belief that it would be a different story. I only say that because it seems to me that I have seen the conservative poster shot down much more often than the liberal poster. Granted, I don't have the actual statistics, so perhaps it was somewhat unfair, but I was only giving my opinion.
Nevertheless, calling an entire group of people ignorant, (which you conveniently ignored) based on that group not agreeing with a certain viewpoint should be addressed IMO.
I read the post you referenced. However, you took it the step farther by including moderators. I believe in actuality, we have only ONE moderator, and I can't remember a time he posted.
The other people that post here, with that title, moderator, are not moderating this forum. They are posting as members. A huge distinction.
And I too think occasionally sides are taken--but not the liberal side or the conservative side but a personal side.
People are not all equal debators and/or participants. Some of the posters are less articulate, and harder to follow. Some are jocular and are taken too seriously. Some are very informed and get their points across clearly.
We are not equal in this sense--at all! And of course, comprehension, sensitivity in both a positive a negative way, and interpretation varies reader to reader.
The only conclusion that can logically be reached is that the Bush political policies, which are all formulated by Rove, were intended to dupe the religious right into supporting Bush, and those who believed it were naive and innocently stupid.
Still, only your opinion. Everyone who believes in GWB's political policies is naive and stupid? That statement alone makes you a liberal elitist IMO.
Anyone with a modicum of logic and common sense could have seen through any of these and dozens more. Notice, I said anyone; that is hardly an "elitist" position. All one had to do was apply common sense and logic and all the Karl Rove deceit and lies would have been apparent.
You make my point better than I ever could. "Anyone with a modicum of logic and common sense" would see things as you do. If that is not an elitist attitude I don't know what is. People like you see the world in black and white...either believe as I do or I will look at you as "ignorant", "naive", simpletons.
I won't address the other issues that you brought up as I agree with you on most all of them...I just don't judge the people who disagree with me as harshly as you do. I may think that you are a liberal elitist, but I would never call you ignorant or simple minded even if I thought it. That is my only point. It has nothing to do with Bush, Rove and company.
I read the post you referenced. However, you took it the step farther by including moderators. I believe in actuality, we have only ONE moderator, and I can't remember a time he posted.
The other people that post here, with that title, moderator, are not moderating this forum. They are posting as members. A huge distinction.
And I too think occasionally sides are taken--but not the liberal side or the conservative side but a personal side.
People are not all equal debators and/or participants. Some of the posters are less articulate, and harder to follow. Some are jocular and are taken too seriously. Some are very informed and get their points across clearly.
We are not equal in this sense--at all! And of course, comprehension, sensitivity in both a positive a negative way, and interpretation varies reader to reader.
Again you conveniently ignore the point of my entire post. Is it OK in your opinion to call an entire group of people "ignorant" because they disagree with a certain point of view?
Somehow I am a mite confused by some of your post. I see so many comments that would inspire me to annoyance than the one you quote and I've asked people to explain themselves. I always find if I ask another question, I get more of a complete response and have a better understanding. Language is a killer.
If this post annoys you, why not just ask the poster, "are you implying elitism" or am I reading this as elitism. We got into this somewhat in another thread on Bush--about "liberal" envy. So it seems the subject of "elite" goes back and forth--!
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Originally Posted by Colomonter
You make my point better than I ever could. "Anyone with a modicum of logic and common sense" would see things as you do. If that is not an elitist attitude I don't know what is. People like you see the world in black and white...either believe as I do or I will look at you as "ignorant", "naive", simpletons.
I won't address the other issues that you brought up as I agree with you on most all of them...I just don't judge the people who disagree with me as harshly as you do. I may think that you are a liberal elitist, but I would never call you ignorant or simple minded even if I thought it. That is my only point. It has nothing to do with Bush, Rove and company.
I don't like him, but I don't like political strategists, in general. His job is to manipulate the citizens of this country into supporting Bush's policy. That's backwards. He should be explaining the policy, not demonizing people who disagree with it.
OK, colomonter, even though my use of the word "ignorant" is precise in this case (it means having a lack of knowledge), I'll defer to your wisdom. What do you call people who have been duped into believing something that is not true?
To get back on topic, no one else is outraged or supportive of Rove?
I actually find it humorous that you libs get so worked up about Rove, and find him so threatening, you guys have elevated him right up their with cheney at the top of the demon list! I find him rather benign, and consider him the reason Bush has been as moderate as he has been. I wonder how you felt about james carvil and dick morris and the like when clinton was in office?
You're kidding, right? You're not? Well, you better put me on your ignore list before I say what I think about that. Oh, wait -- you don't know how to do that, either, do you?
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