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Link to the protocol office or some official website that can confirm this?
I doubt that this will happen because the protocol is clear the proper form of address for the senator is "Senator Boxer." Neither a protocol office nor a commissioned officer in the military would make such a mistake.
Good God, she isn't Queen of England. This was no faux pas on the General's part (there is no requirement to show any special respect to someone who has a political title) but it sure as hell was unseemly on Boxer's part to make an issue out of Her Eminency's title, for god's sake.
Military protocol is to address others using Sir and Ma'am and I AM POSITIVE there is no "protocol" requiring ANYONE to address a Senator as "Senator." You can address them as Mr. or Mrs, for that matter. It is correct to address the President as Sir, also.
If you have ever spent time watching CSPAN over the years, Senators and Congressmen are addressed in many different ways on the floor - everything from "my esteemed colleague" to "Mrs. Brown of Indiana" etc etc.
However, in this instance, it would have been more ACCURATE to address Boxer as "you arrogant B&TCH."
Good God, she isn't Queen of England. This was no faux pas on the General's part (there is no requirement to show any special respect to someone who has a political title) but it sure as hell was unseemly on Boxer's part to make an issue out of Her Eminency's title, for god's sake.
Military protocol is to address others using Sir and Ma'am and I AM POSITIVE there is no "protocol" requiring ANYONE to address a Senator as "Senator." You can address them as Mr. or Mrs, for that matter. It is correct to address the President as Sir, also.
If you have ever spent time watching CSPAN over the years, Senators and Congressmen are addressed in many different ways on the floor - everything from "my esteemed colleague" to "Mrs. Brown of Indiana" etc etc.
However, in this instance, it would have been more ACCURATE to address Boxer as "you arrogant B&TCH."
She is just a public servant.
LOL you get your protocol lessons from talk TV?
Fortunately we select generals more carefully than CD accepts posters. The general recognized his error and continued with his presentation using the correct form of address.
It was nothing more than a display of power in an enviornment and setting which was inappropriate to make the display. If infact the senator was upset about how the general addressed her, then following the meeting, it would have at that time been appropriate to make the distinction and inform the General of his error.
To do so in a setting such as this, is both obnoxious and petty. In my opinion, her motivations were not to preserve the dignity of her position, but rather to make some kind of statement of her importance of power over the general.
Anybody with an ounce of class wouldn't have taken this position or reacted in this manner in the enviornment they were in.
Fortunately we select generals more carefully than CD accepts posters. The general recognized his error and continued with his presentation using the correct form of address.
Listen - protocol is just that - protocol. It is etiquette and gives guidelines. He did not commit a faux pas by referring to her as Ma'am. If he had called her what she deserved to be called, then yes, that would have been a faux pas.
I happen to teach etiquette classes. There are ideals and then there is real life . . . and referring to a Senator as Ma'am is NOT an infraction of any sort.
I really don't give a rat's ass what you think of me. You are an arrogant jerk yourself and probably work for Boxer.
ETA: I just looked at your link and you are awfully selective about how you try to prove a point.
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In diplomatic and other public circles, "Sir" is generally considered an acceptable alternative to the formal address in both written and spoken greetings; this does not apply to religious or titled persons. The use of "Madam" or "Ma'am" for a female addressee is less customary but still acceptable, especially for high officeholders ("Madam Governor"). This rule also holds for high officials of foreign countries.
Listen - protocol is just that - protocol. It is etiquette and gives guidelines. He did not commit a faux pas by referring to her as Ma'am. If he had called her what she deserved to be called, then yes, that would have been a faux pas.
I happen to teach etiquette classes. There are ideals and then there is real life . . . and referring to a Senator as Ma'am is NOT an infraction of any sort.
I really don't give a rat's ass what you think of me. You are an arrogant jerk yourself and probably work for Boxer.
ETA: I just looked at your link and you are awfully selective about how you try to prove a point.
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In diplomatic and other public circles, "Sir" is generally considered an acceptable alternative to the formal address in both written and spoken greetings; this does not apply to religious or titled persons. The use of "Madam" or "Ma'am" for a female addressee is less customary but still acceptable, especially for high officeholders ("Madam Governor"). This rule also holds for high officials of foreign countries.
How's this for etiquette? Kiss my arse.
The protocol in the military is to address all female superior officers as "ma'am", and all male superior officers as "sir". "Ma'am" and "sir" are considered equivalent. Granted, a Senator is neither "superior" or an "officer", but they do pay the General's salary, so he is going to call them whatever they want to be called.
The protocol in the military is to address all female superior officers as "ma'am", and all male superior officers as "sir". "Ma'am" and "sir" are considered equivalent. Granted, a Senator is neither "superior" or an "officer", but they do pay the General's salary, so he is going to call them whatever they want to be called.
wrong. WE pay the general's wage.
Barbara Boxer is one of the most obnoxious people on the planet, and she just demonstrated that fact.
The General used proper protocol. In the military you address your superiors as Ma'am or Sir and the people below you with their rank. Therefore the General was respectful in his address.
Barbara Boxer is one of the most obnoxious people on the planet, and she just demonstrated that fact.
The money used to pay the General's salary comes from us taxpayers, but it is Congress that determines the General's salary. If Congress decided Generals get a salary of $0.00, then no taxpayer dollars would be going to their salary.
You are correct, Boxer is indeed one of the more obnoxious people on the planet, and she routinely demonstrates that fact. Feinstein and Boxer are representative of those who elected them. Which explains why Californians are so reviled by everyone in all the other states.
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