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Old 06-25-2009, 03:49 PM
 
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You obviously have no idea what you are talking about.

In the late 70s, the US supported the Shah, when we offered him asylum, the Iranian people went ballistic. Hostages were taken, and the event pretty much marks the beginning of the Iranian Revolution where the Shah's government was overthrown, replaced with the Ayatollah. As such, Iran went from being a US ally, to being an enemy.

Someone by the name of Saddam Hussein was at war with Iran. How does the cliche go? The enemy of my enemy is my friend. As such we supported Saddam and Iraq in their war against Iran. Part of the motivation for providing that assistance was providing weapons to forces that were against the Ayatollah in Iran.

A plan was devised to pass weapons through Israel, to a moderate and politically influential group in Iran that opposed the Ayatollah. At the same time, the idea was to sell the weapons, so that the mediator would negotiate for the release of American hostages held by Hezbollah. The problem was, the so called 'moderate' group was infiltrated by members loyal to the Ayatollah....

Proceeds from these weapons sales went to the Contras, who were anti-Communist forces in Central America. I should not need to go in depth, as I believe everyone here knows the reasoning behind not wanting a second country sympathetic to the Soviets in such proximity to the US.
All you have to do is call the Contras "anti-Communist forces in Central America" to prove you're clueless about Reagan policies in Central America in the 80's. He was responsible for countless murders of innocent people in the region. There's nothing heroic about a mass murderer.
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Old 06-26-2009, 09:44 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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No, he was in fact a homophobic BIGOT:

"On April 2, 1987, Reagan said: "How that information is used must be up to schools and parents, not government. But let's be honest with ourselves, AIDS information can not be what some call 'value neutral.' After all, when it comes to preventing AIDS, don't medicine and morality teach the same lessons."

Reagan's AIDSGATE

Go there and you can hear the audio of his bigotry, in his own words.
What he said does not mean he is a "homophobic bigot." He was stating what was his opinion.
Just because you don't agree with it doesn't make him out to be what you claim.

So tell me, how much did the Clinton administration spend on HIV/AIDS?
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Old 06-26-2009, 09:53 PM
 
Location: SARASOTA, FLORIDA
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What he said does not mean he is a "homophobic bigot." He was stating what was his opinion.
Just because you don't agree with it doesn't make him out to be what you claim.

So tell me, how much did the Clinton administration spend on HIV/AIDS?

I would like to know that myself.
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Old 06-26-2009, 10:01 PM
 
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When Reagan ran for president I remember laughing with some friends and saying; "Can you imagine that anyone would vote for a movie actor for president?" Sure he had been elected governor in CA but folks in California were always doing something strange. When he was elected....and then re-elected I thought the country had lost their collective minds. I didn't then....and still don't today....understand what in the world anyone saw in the guy.
You and millions and millions of others. His whole life was already upfront for everyone to see. Imagine trying to run against a lifeguard, actor, radio host, governor, president and the only union card carrying president to live. You or no one else would have a chance. He gave America something it couldn't get from taxing and spending, a sense of pride in understanding what a beautiful thing democracy is. Please don't disregard our history because of it's inequities.

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Our democracy must be not only the envy of the world but the engine of our own renewal. There is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right with America.
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Old 06-26-2009, 10:03 PM
 
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Reagan was a epic fail...the creator of todays mess.
Damn the guy has been out of office for 21 years... He's been dead for 5.
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Old 06-26-2009, 10:04 PM
 
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Fdr was the begining of the US becoming a first world country and Reagan was the begining of us becoming a second world country.
Right...

If you'll ignore all the previous story before him. Let me guess you'll argue how great the Carter years were....
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Old 06-26-2009, 10:06 PM
 
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Ahh the easily amused... You'd do yourself some good and avoid crap like that site and actually look into government documents. In fact Reagan has over 600 yellow legal note pads if you'd like to delve into a real thinker and communicator.
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Old 06-26-2009, 10:07 PM
 
Location: SARASOTA, FLORIDA
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Right...

If you'll ignore all the previous story before him. Let me guess you'll argue how great the Carter years were....

Yes they will. Most libs think Carter was a great President.
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Old 06-26-2009, 10:08 PM
 
Location: SARASOTA, FLORIDA
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Damn the guy has been out of office for 21 years... He's been dead for 5.

Reagan bothers these people for some reason.

They are afraid another great one like Reagan may come along soon and wipe out the democratic party for years.
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Old 06-26-2009, 10:08 PM
 
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I kind of thought it was funny when he first ran against Ford in the primary but as a President Reagan was probably one of the most effective. I didn't agree with him on anything he did- very little of it anyway- but he was dealing with a Democratic Congress and Senate and still managed to get what he wanted out of them. Carter was a Democrat and could not get anything out of his own Congress.
That's what an austere leader does... That's what he did...
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