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Old 06-29-2009, 10:28 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Originally Posted by wjtwet View Post
They were checking the liquor license not drunks. Few of th e drunks decided to be disorderly. Everyone there was not disorderly so everyone did not get arrested for drunk and disorderly
There's no "drunk and disorderly" charge in Texas; public intoxication only requires drunkeness. The disorderly conduct statute doesn't mention anything about drunkeness.
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Old 06-29-2009, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Charlotte, NC
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And that's the question that will hopefully be investigated thoroughly: Were the gay arrestees treated differently than the straight arrestees.

That's all I was trying to get at. Some here automatically assumed the 1 gay person with injuries was just sitting there minding his/her own business when some cops jumped him/her. Not only that but now its turned into "they sent the gay people to the hospital with a bleeding brain". Now the number has jumped from one to numerous. Then the "they only raided the 2 striaght bars so they could go to the gay bar and bash people for no reason".

I find it very probable that the one person that ended up with injuries was out of hand. Do people really think the police would be dumb enough to just go in for no reason and start bashing gay people in front of hundreds of other gay people? Drunks dont use the best judgement...believe, I know..been there done that.
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Old 06-29-2009, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Denver
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They were checking the liquor license not drunks. Few of th e drunks decided to be disorderly. Everyone there was not disorderly so everyone did not get arrested for drunk and disorderly
And again, why does it take 9 offices with a large supply of plastic tie-handcuffs and a paddy wagon to check a liquor license?
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Old 06-29-2009, 10:31 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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I'm sorry, I just don't buy that. Why did it take the cops coming to the bar for these people to become "disorderly"? I mean, no one called the cops on them, so they were seemingly orderly before the raid.

And if they were being "disorderly", why weren't they also arrested for disorderly conduct?
as the police report stated, the police entered at the request of the TABC to check a liquor license. This bar was one of three that night. The owner was informed two days before it happened. They were not called to look for drunks read the police report i posted. I am positive if anyone straight would have done the same thing they would have been arrested also. At least two had to go to the hospital for alchol poison. Read the police report take in both sides
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Old 06-29-2009, 10:32 AM
 
Location: Charlotte, NC
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If they're checking for drunks at a bar, why wasn't ever single person arrested?

Do you have to get "drunk" to go to a bar? I mean...college kids, yes, but not everyone.
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Old 06-29-2009, 10:32 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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And again, why does it take 9 offices with a large supply of plastic tie-handcuffs and a paddy wagon to check a liquor license?
The TABC requested that number
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Old 06-29-2009, 10:33 AM
 
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And again, why does it take 9 offices with a large supply of plastic tie-handcuffs and a paddy wagon to check a liquor license?
lol... I think you are winning this particular debate single-handedly.

I think the jury is still out on whether or not they were targeting gays, but I don't think there's any question about whether or not the police went to the bars to do more than check liquor licenses. It's clear to me that they were there to arrest people for public intoxication - a waste of resources, in my opinion.
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Old 06-29-2009, 10:33 AM
 
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Perhaps so it didn't look like a deliberate violent raid on a Gay bar on the 40th anniversary of the Stonewall Riots?
Oh god, here come the tinfoil hats....
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Old 06-29-2009, 10:35 AM
 
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Read the police report take in both sides
Yes, we are taking in both sides, but you seem to be taking the side of the police as the gospel truth. The police can say whatever they want; it doesn't mean they're being completely honest.
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Old 06-29-2009, 10:38 AM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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Do you have to get "drunk" to go to a bar? I mean...college kids, yes, but not everyone.
Yeah, exactly. I've been to a few bars, had a drink or so, but never gotten drunk except for at my and other people's houses.

I'd have to take a closer look at this in order to make my decision. People have been too hard on the police nowadays (The outrage at the 70 year old getting tazed proves this), so I will give them the benefit of the doubt.
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