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Old 09-10-2009, 06:24 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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What exactly makes you think the Medicare and Social Security Administration have been run so poorly? How do you feel about the way the government has run libraries, fire departments, police departments and the postal service?
Fire departments, police and libraries are locally controlled. Postal service has always been run poorly.
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Old 09-10-2009, 07:11 AM
 
Location: USA - midwest
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I have a very simple question for all of you people out there who are ripping Obamas health care plans apart.

What should the US do about it's health care situation? What is Obama doing wrong? What exactly do you not like about it?

It seems like most people against health reform just have a blind hate for Obama. Rather than disagreeing with what he is doing exactly, they just don't trust Obama himself and don't like his overall views.

So, obviously the US does need to do something. What should we do?

The insurance companies are paying the GOP big bucks to do nothing. Which is exactly what they've done in the past.
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Old 09-10-2009, 07:29 AM
 
Location: um....guess
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What is the "health care situation"? Is there a "situation"? From what I have read, the vast majority of people are happy with their current health insurance (something in the neighborhood of 75%). So why do we need to take it away from them?

You must have watched a different speech than I did because he specifically mentioned more than once that people would be able to keep their existing plan if they were happy with it. This is about making sure all american citizens have insurance, all of them. And like he said, that is a moral issue & one that should've been addressed long ago. But for whatever selfish reason, the right have glossed over that situation & seem to be against a plan that would enable people to have insurance. Weird, I thought the right was the "party of morals"? I know many people who don't have insurance because they can't afford it. How can anyone w/any sort of decency not want better for all? I understand many of you probably don't know of anyone who is in that situation which is why you've become so unbelievably stubborn about this, but perhaps you should put yourself in their shoes for once. Or maybe think if this situation were to happen to you, how would you feel? I don't think you'd feel so good knowing there were people out there trying to deny you the right to be able to afford health care.
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Old 09-10-2009, 07:35 AM
 
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What exactly makes you think the Medicare and Social Security Administration have been run so poorly? How do you feel about the way the government has run libraries, fire departments, police departments and the postal service?
"libraries, fire departments, police departments"

Those three are run by local government and they seem to always be short of funds.

"postal service"

Is run by the feds and is going broke, no is broke!
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Old 09-10-2009, 07:53 AM
 
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Southern congressman need to remember that they lost the civil war. They should be grown up enough to express themselves without being insulting. It makes their state look ignorant. Them like a person who has no class. franklin p bailey
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Old 09-10-2009, 07:56 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Make the health insurance companies compete for your business just like every other insurance company does.
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Old 09-10-2009, 08:07 AM
 
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Make the health insurance companies compete for your business just like every other insurance company does.
Don't they do that now? Are you saying the companies below don't compete with each other?

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Old 09-10-2009, 08:08 AM
 
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You must have watched a different speech than I did because he specifically mentioned more than once that people would be able to keep their existing plan if they were happy with it. This is about making sure all american citizens have insurance, all of them. And like he said, that is a moral issue & one that should've been addressed long ago. But for whatever selfish reason, the right have glossed over that situation & seem to be against a plan that would enable people to have insurance. Weird, I thought the right was the "party of morals"? I know many people who don't have insurance because they can't afford it. How can anyone w/any sort of decency not want better for all? I understand many of you probably don't know of anyone who is in that situation which is why you've become so unbelievably stubborn about this, but perhaps you should put yourself in their shoes for once. Or maybe think if this situation were to happen to you, how would you feel? I don't think you'd feel so good knowing there were people out there trying to deny you the right to be able to afford health care.
The need for healthcare reform is real - and you are right, it is completely overdue.
The problem I have with this is the very real question of how are we going to pay for it? And I don't buy vague assurances of 'cutting waste' as a viable financial plan. I need specifics - we are in debt with no way, no hope and no plan to pay it off. How can we justify adding more to that debt until we get it under control?

This has nothing to do with a lack of empathy. After all, how will any of us fair if the US government crumbles under its debt? We are in trouble and to jump into yet another hugely expensive experiment with no real plans and no way to pay for it (like the stimulas bill) is a mistake that will come back to bite us all.

Yes, lets reform healthcare on all of its fronts - insurance/hospitals/drug manufacturers. Lets get a real plan with real facts and data and not soundbites. Then I will be on board 100%.
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Old 09-10-2009, 08:08 AM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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How do you feel about the way the government has run libraries, fire departments, police departments and the postal service?
Libraries, fire departments and police departments are run by LOCAL governments, not the feds.

Why do you guys keep bringing this up? I've seen this same basic question/comment made in three different threads in two days (and I haven't been browsing very many of them), and you guys just don't get it.

As for the Postal Service, it's about the best run service provided by the federal government, and it runs in the red by billions each year - not exactly something to be proud of, and certainly not something I'd point to as an example of a federal management success story.
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Old 09-10-2009, 08:18 AM
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Location: NC/SC Border Patrol
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I have a very simple question for all of you people out there who are ripping Obamas health care plans apart.

What should the US do about it's health care situation? What is Obama doing wrong? What exactly do you not like about it?

It seems like most people against health reform just have a blind hate for Obama. Rather than disagreeing with what he is doing exactly, they just don't trust Obama himself and don't like his overall views.

So, obviously the US does need to do something. What should we do?
Well whatever WE do, it should not involve taxpayer money. Obama's plan for just about anything seems to want our taxes to be involved. He needs to learn that the United States does not work like a socialist country or a communist country.

One of the statements, and I don't remember exactly what it was, said that the United States was the only country that did not do thus or so something. I thought "Yes, and we want to keep it that way." If you want socialism, go to those other countries and you will have it. We the people do not want any form of socialism here.

I have been hearing for years that Social Security and Medicare will destroy the country. Do we really want to add to that. People think just a little bit.

In the United States some have it hard at different times, but as long as the government is not involved and remains strong, we can recover. Put the government in the situation and we all fall down.
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