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Old 09-16-2009, 12:52 PM
 
Location: The Chatterdome in La La Land, CaliFUNia
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Personally, very few things are nastier or more noxious to me than cilantro, but that's another thread.

Before you lose your mind over the toxicity of cigarette smoke, perhaps you should arm yourself with some facts first:

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Does my cilantro eating affect YOU or your breathing in any way? Cigarette smoke affects EVERYONE (smoker and non-smoker alike) who is within the vicinity of a lit cigarette. It STINKS! It affects those who are asthmatics and allergy sufferers! Secondhand smoke DOES cause lung cancer. Just because you need to light up to curb your appetite and temper does not give you the right to pollute MY air!
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Old 09-16-2009, 12:58 PM
 
Location: in here, out there
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Anything that can be done to separate smokers from places that I like to go is welcome to me.
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Old 09-16-2009, 12:59 PM
 
Location: um....guess
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My mother has COPD. I have never heard a rallying cry from her to ban smoking in bars. Her & my dad go to places that are non-smoking if they can help it. They always sit in the non-smoking section. In fact, I can't recall a time in the last few years that she's complained about smoke in public places. I wonder why she, a person who has COPD, is able to refrain from complaining about smoke or demanding smoking bans, & others can't?
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Old 09-16-2009, 01:02 PM
 
Location: Inis Fada
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Should the Government (Federal, State or Local) decide whether a private business can allow customers to smoke or not within its facilities? SHould it be left up to the owner and the customers (they could always go to the place that suited their preferences the best).

Is the business location subject to paying local and state taxes? Are they required to comply with local or state health ordinances? If it is not required to by law, then the owner should be able to decide if it is a smoke-friendly venue. If the business leases it's space from a landlord, the landlord should be able to decide whether s/he wants smoking in his/her property.

I understand that smokers feel their rights being infringed upon. Imagine what it is like to have your access to a restaurant or event prevented because the smoke in that facility will trigger respiratory distress? Smoking is an option, breathing smoke free air is a God given right.

Given the cost of smoke-related illnesses in this country, and meteroic increases in health care costs, it would make sense to protect the populace from second hand smoke.
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Old 09-16-2009, 01:05 PM
 
Location: The Chatterdome in La La Land, CaliFUNia
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My mother has COPD. I have never heard a rallying cry from her to ban smoking in bars. Her & my dad go to places that are non-smoking if they can help it. They always sit in the non-smoking section. In fact, I can't recall a time in the last few years that she's complained about smoke in public places. I wonder why she, a person who has COPD, is able to refrain from complaining about smoke or demanding smoking bans, & others can't?
Because we don't want to develop health issues such as lung cancer or COPD.
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Old 09-16-2009, 01:06 PM
 
Location: The Chatterdome in La La Land, CaliFUNia
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Is the business location subject to paying local and state taxes? Are they required to comply with local or state health ordinances? If it is not required to by law, then the owner should be able to decide if it is a smoke-friendly venue. If the business leases it's space from a landlord, the landlord should be able to decide whether s/he wants smoking in his/her property.

I understand that smokers feel their rights being infringed upon. Imagine what it is like to have your access to a restaurant or event prevented because the smoke in that facility will trigger respiratory distress? Smoking is an option, breathing smoke free air is a God given right.

Given the cost of smoke-related illnesses in this country, and meteroic increases in health care costs, it would make sense to protect the populace from second hand smoke.
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Old 09-16-2009, 01:07 PM
 
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Does my cilantro eating affect YOU or your breathing in any way? Cigarette smoke affects EVERYONE (smoker and non-smoker alike) who is within the vicinity of a lit cigarette. It STINKS! It affects those who are asthmatics and allergy sufferers! Secondhand smoke DOES cause lung cancer. Just because you need to light up to curb your appetite and temper does not give you the right to pollute MY air!
So you're capable of deciding you want cilantro but incapable of making a decision to enter a smoking establishment. I'm confused, certainly if you could decide what you like on your food you could make such a simple decision about your personal health?
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Old 09-16-2009, 01:08 PM
 
Location: um....guess
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Because we don't want to develop health issues such as lung cancer or COPD.
No, I believe you have repeatedly complained about the smell & your allergies. I don't recall you talking about COPD or lung cancer in any of your posts. And for the record, my mother never smoked a day in her life.
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Old 09-16-2009, 01:09 PM
 
Location: Inis Fada
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Nicotine helps me concentrate, curbs my appetite, and calms me just enough that I don't go postal while reading some of the posts on here.
Out of morbid curiosity I ask: what did you use to help you concentrate, curb your appetite and calm yourself prior to choosing to become a smoker?
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Old 09-16-2009, 01:10 PM
 
Location: The Chatterdome in La La Land, CaliFUNia
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So you're capable of deciding you want cilantro but incapable of making a decision to enter a smoking establishment. I'm confused, certainly if you could decide what you like on your food you could make such a simple decision about your personal health?
As many posters have stated, it's hard for them to find non-smoking establishments so where is the choice? Why shouldn't the government get involved when we are talking about toxic cigarette smoke in enclosed places, especially restaurants? Believe me, food does NOT taste good when there is cigarette smoke surrounding you.
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