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Old 09-15-2009, 10:12 PM
 
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I understand the theory but I don't know the script used to make the poll (used to influence the person towards the choice the poller wishes to have), the geographical area of those polled (certain geographical areas are more likely to be like minded politically), political affiliation of those polled (how many were Democrats, how many were Republicans, how many were other?). A skilled pollster can influence their poll to get the results they desire.
Of course. But if a skilled pollster asked 100% of all doctors the exact same question, they percentages would be the same.

So the skill is to know how to ask questions so that won't influence the results.
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Old 09-15-2009, 10:16 PM
 
Location: Charlotte
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I understand the theory but I don't know the script used to make the poll (used to influence the person towards the choice the poller wishes to have), the geographical area of those polled (certain geographical areas are more likely to be like minded politically), political affiliation of those polled (how many were Democrats, how many were Republicans, how many were other?). A skilled pollster can influence their poll to get the results they desire.
True, but this is why the questions are often posted. Many pollsters welcome public scrutiny to remove the implication of push-polling as well as other negative connotations.
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Old 09-15-2009, 10:17 PM
 
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The argument is amazing. The system can't handle 47 million (pick your number) new patients so therefore those 47 million must stay without health insurance.
No, think deeper.

The argument is the system cannot handle (basically) no-cost health care which will spike the demand. Put on a $3000 deductible and I'll bet you will find the demand to be about the same.

The system cannot cap the costs / income for the doctors, expect the doctors to do more for less and have them hang their butts out there for lawsuits while they are overworked.
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Old 09-15-2009, 10:20 PM
 
Location: SE Florida
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How many people said that they would leave the country if Bush was elected? How many people said that they would leave the country if Obama was elected? How many people actually left?

And more importantly, how many people believe what most doctors say?

Meet me back here a year from now and I'll buy you lunch at Mc Donald's. If a doctor serves us, I'll pay.
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Old 09-15-2009, 10:30 PM
 
Location: Atlanta,GA
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They'd consider it all right, for about 10 minutes. What are they going to do, work at McDonald's?
Exactly the same thing that came to mind. They're blowing hot air..

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The survey was sponsored by Investors.com(IBD) who in a recent editorial ...
Why would 45% of doctor's give up their livelihood? It is not a government takeover. It is a change to the health insurance industry that would add a public insurance option.
They would not. Who in their right minds believes such absurdity?

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They could work in another country where they could keep all their profits. But yeah, realistically you're right I doubt most would.
They're not going anywhere.

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63% amounts to 1,341 doctors polled support the public option. That 1,341 is suppose to represent all the doctors nation wide.
Figures lie, Liars figure...

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A poll by Investors Business Daily can only favor greedy capitalists. It's like Pravda for the capitalists. The Investors Business Daily is for the Status Quo.
So now doctors will be flipping burgers instead of being doctors!
As long as they surgically cut my meat well, I'm fine with it .

Let foreign doctors come (in droves) to this country to practice, and the US DRs will be the same ones in line complaining asking for their jobs back. I guarantee it. A few weeks a McDonalds or Wendy's, they'll realise how things weren't so bad.

The article is a load of crock. Doctors are staying put. They would be happy making the same salaries, and having to deal with less BS from insurance companies, and lower malpractice suits.

Those who stand to lose the most are greedy lawyers, trying to sue everyone for everything. Them, the insurance companies, and lobbyists.
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Old 09-15-2009, 10:34 PM
 
Location: SE Florida
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I had forgotten all about this until now-

16 years ago my OB had a McDonald's job application posted on the wall and the joke was that he was so fed up with insurance regulations that he was going to quit and work for McDonald's. What is it with docs and McDonald's?!
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Old 09-15-2009, 10:34 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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No, that's why I don't trust polls.
Then this thread is not for you.
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Old 09-15-2009, 10:37 PM
 
Location: Geneva, IL
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They could work in another country where they could keep all their profits.
Umm, what country would that be? Most countries have National Health Care. We are way behind the times.
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Old 09-15-2009, 10:42 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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They could work in another country where they could keep all their profits. But yeah, realistically you're right I doubt most would.
Tell that to these doctors. They actually want single payer option, not the half baked version being worked at.
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Old 09-15-2009, 10:47 PM
 
Location: Earth
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There is something called "T tables" in stats. It's been years since I had to look at the tables but Q=1341 is a high sample to get a statistically significantly poll. Putting it another way, sampling 1341 Doc's will result in nearly the identical results as testing every doctor.
Depending on who participates in the poll. Yahoo polls, polls on left/right wing websites, etc. will be skewed to the viewpoint of those who respond.

I could poll 1,341 of my friends who think similarly on an issue and we will have a skewed response.

What about the opposing poll that stated most doctors preferred the proposals?
How do you dismiss that poll?
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