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Old 09-16-2009, 09:52 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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I know this because I know how to do math and I have common sense. Obama promises that a public option will save money. The only way to save money is to deny care. Refute that.
Refute this: that's what the ins. companies do all the time.
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Old 09-16-2009, 09:54 PM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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You are comparing apples to oranges with that analogy. A government health board will set strict parameters as to what will or will not be covered based on a patient's age and comorbidities. Private insurance companies have guidelines but it is possible to get an exception from the insurance company medical director with appropriate documentation. The government plan, in order to be cost effective, will have to adhere to the guidelines as they do in other socialized medicine countries.
You have no clue what you are talking about. Seriously.

You probably also believe in 'Death Panels'.

The Bill being offered right now for healthcare reform is crap and the only winners are the health insurance companies.

Doctors (63% of them) want either single payer or the public option and this watered down bill barely conforms to def. of a "public option"
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Old 09-16-2009, 09:55 PM
 
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Refute this: that's what the ins. companies do all the time.
Insurance companies set guidelines which are always appealable. The public plan cannot offer exceptions to the rules if it is intended to save the goverment money on health care. The only way the government can save money on health care is to deny care. Please tell me how the government can save money on health care aside from denying care.
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Old 09-16-2009, 09:57 PM
 
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You have no clue what you are talking about. Seriously.

You probably also believe in 'Death Panels'.

The Bill being offered right now for healthcare reform is crap and the only winners are the health insurance companies.

Doctors (63% of them) want either single payer or the public option and this watered down bill barely conforms to def. of a "public option"
I seriously do know what I am talking about.
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Old 09-16-2009, 09:59 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Insurance companies set guidelines which are always appealable. The public plan cannot offer exceptions to the rules if it is intended to save the goverment money on health care. The only way the government can save money on health care is to deny care. Please tell me how the government can save money on health care aside from denying care.
Please support your statement. The government can save money? What does that mean. If PO charges correctly, they will not have to "deny" care. Furthermore, the intent of PO is not to "save the government money" per se, but to provide an option for people who have no other recourse.

BTW, Medicare and Medicaid have appeals processes. What makes you think PO won't?
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Old 09-16-2009, 10:03 PM
 
Location: 3rd rock from the sun
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Insurance companies set guidelines which are always appealable. The public plan cannot offer exceptions to the rules if it is intended to save the goverment money on health care. The only way the government can save money on health care is to deny care. Please tell me how the government can save money on health care aside from denying care.
I believe that public option premiums are expected to be about 10-15% lower than private insurance premiums. The cost savings will come mainly from lower overheads and profits.
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Old 09-16-2009, 10:04 PM
 
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I think the public option will not because proponents of the public option state that Medicare and Medicaid costs are too high and continue to rise on an annual basis. How can they bad mouth Medicare and Medicaid in favor of a public health option unless they know for sure they will spend less than Medicare and Medicaid? They can't. How will they be able to control costs? They will be able to control costs by adhering to strict guidelines like other socialist medicine countries.
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Old 09-16-2009, 10:05 PM
 
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I believe that public option premiums are expected to be about 10-15% lower than private insurance premiums. The cost savings will come mainly from lower overheads and profits.
You fail to take into account the number of people for whom the government will provide the public option at no cost to the insured. Who will have to absorb that expense? The taxpayers.
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Old 09-16-2009, 10:07 PM
 
Location: 3rd rock from the sun
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You fail to take into account the number of people for whom the government will provide the public option at no cost to the insured.
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Old 09-16-2009, 10:08 PM
 
Location: Tennessee
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The most interesting thing I learned when these poll results were reported is what a small percentage of doctors are members of the American Medical Association. So, when the President or Congress says doctors support Obamacare (because of the AMA support), we aren't exactly talking about the majority of practicing doctors.

I heard today that AMA membership is 17% of practicing physicians.

"The AMA, which has endorsed President Obama’s plan on behalf of its membership, released another letter supporting the president’s central reform elements on September 8. Speakers pointed out that the AMA only speaks for 17 percent of physicians in the U.S."

Doctors Rally Against Obamacare - HUMAN EVENTS
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