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Here's a link to the transcript of the health ins speech, & the "How to pay for it" content. I added a bold & the only things I took out were the "(Applause)" interjections and some stuff about reducing waste in Medicare:
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Now, add it all up, and the plan I'm proposing will cost around $900 billion over 10 years -- less than we have spent on the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, and less than the tax cuts for the wealthiest few Americans that Congress passed at the beginning of the previous administration. Now, most of these costs will be paid for with money already being spent -- but spent badly -- in the existing health care system. The plan will not add to our deficit. The middle class will realize greater security, not higher taxes. And if we are able to slow the growth of health care costs by just one-tenth of 1 percent each year -- one-tenth of 1 percent -- it will actually reduce the deficit by $4 trillion over the long term.
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I understand how difficult this health care debate has been. I know that many in this country are deeply skeptical that government is looking out for them. I understand that the politically safe move would be to kick the can further down the road -- to defer reform one more year, or one more election, or one more term.
But that is not what the moment calls for. That's not what we came here to do. We did not come to fear the future. We came here to shape it. I still believe we can act even when it's hard. I still believe -- I still believe that we can act when it's hard. I still believe we can replace acrimony with civility, and gridlock with progress. I still believe we can do great things, and that here and now we will meet history's test.
I just dont understand why so many people choose to stand in the way of their own benefit.
Here's a link to the transcript of the health ins speech, & the "How to pay for it" content. I added a bold & the only things I took out were the "(Applause)" interjections and some stuff about reducing waste in Medicare:
So...you're relying solely on what obama says to discern what is true?
He has already been proven to be a liar in what he says.
The actual bill has it right there, page 29, subtitle D - it is a tax.
Haha, Obama called a healthcare rate increase by the insurance companies a "tax increase", but not one mandated by government. oooh can I stop laughing..
I understand how difficult this health care debate has been. I know that many in this country are deeply skeptical that government is looking out for them. I understand that the politically safe move would be to kick the can further down the road -- to defer reform one more year, or one more election, or one more term.
But that is not what the moment calls for. That's not what we came here to do. We did not come to fear the future. We came here to shape it. I still believe we can act even when it's hard. I still believe -- I still believe that we can act when it's hard. I still believe we can replace acrimony with civility, and gridlock with progress. I still believe we can do great things, and that here and now we will meet history's test.
I just dont understand why so many people choose to stand in the way of their own benefit.
Many would disagree that a bill which benefits the corporate and government tag team against US citizens is to "their benefit". Nevertheless, that is not the topic of this thread. It is whether the plan has a tax. It's right there in the bill. Done.
Many would disagree that a bill which benefits the corporate and government tag team against US citizens is to "their benefit". Nevertheless, that is not the topic of this thread. It is whether the plan has a tax. It's right there in the bill. Done.
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Originally Posted by sanrene
So...you're relying solely on what obama says to discern what is true?
He has already been proven to be a liar in what he says.
The actual bill has it right there, page 29, subtitle D - it is a tax.
Well, never mind that he spoke Sept 9 and the Baucus bill was released Sept 16. The thing you're talking about is not a "tax on all Americans". It's a fee -- call it a tax if you want but then you might as well call all involuntary fees taxes -- that wd be paid ONLY by people who choose to go without health insurance.
[Baucus's bill] would make almost everyone buy insurance or pay a fee, give subsidies to the poor to help them buy coverage and create new online exchanges where small businesses and people without government or employer-provided insurance could shop for plans and compare prices.
The usual gang of know-nothings does not actually know (or care) what the actual definition of a tax is and has invested no effort at all in ascertaining whether the payments contemplated conform to it or not. The matter is so out of hand that Sen. Bozo Ensign (R-NV) has an amendment pending to switch every occurrence of the word "fee" in the Baucus bill to "tax" so that the right-wing will have even more little fishes to toss to the trained seals. What a perverse caricature of any proper political debate...
The usual gang of know-nothings does not actually know (or care) what the actual definition of a tax is and has invested no effort at all in ascertaining whether the payments contemplated conform to it or not. The matter is so out of hand that Sen. Bozo Ensign (R-NV) has an amendment pending to switch every occurrence of the word "fee" in the Baucus bill to "tax" so that the right-wing will have even more little fishes to toss to the trained seals. What a perverse caricature of any proper political debate...
Never fear, saganista is here, to try to explain that there is a difference between a tax, and a fee, and to pretend that if you dont pay your "fees", you wont go to jail. As if the difference matters to those of us who have to pay it. Hows the health care benefits for your government job sag? I bet you dont think we taxpayers pay that either...
p.s. you might want to call your buddy Obama and tell him, because he just called rate increases from the insurance companies "a tax" in the video above.
Enjoying my popcorn while watching the resident DC retards redefine words and talk about "the other side" to deflect. Unsuccessful people typically are unsuccessful because they feel compelled to blame others. It's also classic political nonsense and noise. So what you have to pay more? It's not a tax! Even though it says tax in the bill. Just like all of those troops going to Iraq and Afghanistan will be redefined as police officers.
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