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Schieffer: … no tax of any kind on Americans. Can you still make that promise to people today?
Obama: I can still keep that promise because, as I've said, about two-thirds of what we've proposed would be from money that's already in the health care system but just being spent badly. And as I said before, this is not me making wild assertions. [Mod edited for copyright]
We will be taxed about $3,000 with amendments to the IRS tax codes if we do not buy health care insurance, I call that a tax.
Now he is trying to tell us that some secret method of paying for health care insurance costs will be thru preventing badly spent money? Wow, that sounds like a sure thing.
He also says he will find $500 billion in fraud, waste and abuse in medicare. What??? It's a promise? It's like asking us to bet $500 billion dollars because he promises he will make a hole-in-one on the ninth hole. Oh well, now that he put it that way, who can argue, the guy promised us. The check is in the mail, we have his word on it, he's good for it
These number are not real, they are imagined, and represent money he envisions might be acquired thru future amendments and laws passed by congress. That's like you trying to get a loan, after being denied, by telling the bank you plan on talking to your family about cutting down on frivolous purchases and wasteful spending. "I promise!"
Giving the government powers that were not granted to them by the US Constitution, is to NO ONES benefit.
Sorry, I'm not for sale, and I'm sure in the hell not for sale by handing you my own money so you can buy me back..
pghquest, you would not be paying the govt any money.
Do you like paying more than you have to for worse insurance? I dont think your employer does (if you get your ins through them). This exchange would lower ins costs. The fee - or tax if you want to call it that, it doesnt matter what it's called - pd by the voluntarily uninsured would lower your costs too. They're the only people who would pay anything to the govt.
The only people who would be paying anything more than they pay now would be people who dont have health insurance.
The "tax" people are on about in this thread is the fee that would be pd by people who dont want insurance.
Wow, only 30 million americans will be paying more than they are now.. Thats all..
Of course how long until ever other company in the nation decides that its cheaper to cancel their employer based insurance plans to put their employees on that public welfare program to "save money"..
If you dont think employers will act in their own best interest and dump their own insurance plans, your sadly mistaken. GM Paid the unions tens of BILLIONS to take over the employee healthcare programs, which ultimately gave ownership of the company over to the unions. You dont think the unions will save themself TENS OF BILLIONS, by simply putting the unions on the public policy? Really? Tell me you dont think so..
pghquest, you would not be paying the govt any money.
Do you like paying more than you have to for worse insurance? I dont think your employer does (if you get your ins through them). This exchange would lower ins costs. The fee - or tax if you want to call it that, it doesnt matter what it's called - pd by the voluntarily uninsured would lower your costs too. They're the only people who would pay anything to the govt.
I dont have insurance, I indeed would be paying MORE money than I currently do. The reason I dont have insurance? You can blame the government, who makes it completely impossible to buy catastrophic insurance anymore, the only type of care I need. I'm not about ready to file an insurance claim for every doctor visit, teeth cleaning, the $5,000 eye surgery I had, or even the hand reconstructive surgery I had done last year when I broke both of my hands in a 20 foot fall..
You want me to buy insurance, fine, get the dam government out of requiring x y and z care, and allow me to buy what I need. Insurance in the event I suffer a major health problem like a heart attack, cancer etc.
We will be taxed about $3,000 with amendments to the IRS tax codes if we do not buy health care insurance, I call that a tax.
Now he is trying to tell us that some secret method of paying for health care insurance costs will be thru preventing badly spent money? Wow, that sounds like a sure thing.
He also says he will find $500 billion in fraud, waste and abuse in medicare. What??? It's a promise? It's like asking us to bet $500 billion dollars because he promises he will make a hole-in-one on the ninth hole. Oh well, now that he put it that way, who can argue, the guy promised us. The check is in the mail, we have his word on it, he's good for it
These number are not real, they are imagined, and represent money he envisions might be acquired thru future amendments and laws passed by congress. That's like you trying to get a loan, after being denied, by telling the bank you plan on talking to your family about cutting down on frivolous purchases and wasteful spending. "I promise!"
By "we", do you mean you intend to go without insurance? Because those are the only people who wd pay the govt anything.
"Those number are not real, they are imagined" -- nope, they're honest, true, real calculations. $500B over 10 years? Obviously cost-cutting legislation has to be put into place, and it will pass.
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I just dont understand why so many people choose to stand in the way of their own benefit.
Many people still believe that government cannot give to people that which it has not already taken away from people.
Those who believe that they can benefit from government must realize that others must have been harmed to be able to do so. Government can only make rules, the actual definition of govern is to rule, that alter the natural result of freedom. So any benefit, any, comes at the expense of lost freedom for some. Whether you decide that the victims of legislation are somehow worth less as humans than the beneficiaries is simply an opinion, but it does not change the fact that this is what legislation does.
You are free to choose which people you favor and which you oppose as you are in control of your thoughts. Never, for even a moment, lose sight of the fact that government in any form is oppressive by necessity in its very nature. At any given time you are free to choose to oppress more people or less people through government force.
There is nothing immutably wrong with Collectivism or its opposite Individual Freedom. They are simply beliefs in what is closer to what you believe is ideal. If conformity to a societal common denominator defined by those in power is your utopia, then Collectivism is on your side. If you believe that you should be able to act in your own best interest without being forced to conform to the interests of those in power, then Individual Freedom is on your side. It is a choice and nothing else. Hopefully, this can help to clear up the confusion as to how people can "stand in the way of their own benefit".
I dont have insurance, I indeed would be paying MORE money than I currently do. The reason I dont have insurance? You can blame the government, who makes it completely impossible to buy catastrophic insurance anymore, the only type of care I need. I'm not about ready to file an insurance claim for every doctor visit, teeth cleaning, the $5,000 eye surgery I had, or even the hand reconstructive surgery I had done last year when I broke both of my hands in a 20 foot fall..
You want me to buy insurance, fine, get the dam government out of requiring x y and z care, and allow me to buy what I need. Insurance in the event I suffer a major health problem like a heart attack, cancer etc.
isnt it the health ins companies that make it impossible to buy catastrophic insurance?
You should be able to buy only catastrophic ins, now...?
Im not sure how smorgasbord-y each ins company would break their coverage down to -- whether they'll let you pick and choose or you still wd have to buy packages -- but you WOULD be able to buy the ins you need, and for less, via the Health Ins Exchange.
I just dont understand why so many people choose to stand in the way of their own benefit.
Many people still believe that government cannot give to people that which it has not already taken away from people.
Those who believe that they can benefit from government must realize that others must have been harmed to be able to do so. Government can only make rules, the actual definition of govern is to rule, that alter the natural result of freedom. So any benefit, any, comes at the expense of lost freedom for some. Whether you decide that the victims of legislation are somehow worth less as humans than the beneficiaries is simply an opinion, but it does not change the fact that this is what legislation does.
You are free to choose which people you favor and which you oppose as you are in control of your thoughts. Never, for even a moment, lose sight of the fact that government in any form is oppressive by necessity in its very nature. At any given time you are free to choose to oppress more people or less people through government force.
There is nothing immutably wrong with Collectivism or its opposite Individual Freedom. They are simply beliefs in what is closer to what you believe is ideal. If conformity to a societal common denominator defined by those in power is your utopia, then Collectivism is on your side. If you believe that you should be able to act in your own best interest without being forced to conform to the interests of those in power, then Individual Freedom is on your side. It is a choice and nothing else. Hopefully, this can help to clear up the confusion as to how people can "stand in the way of their own benefit".
If you're buying insurance now from a major insurance company you already are "being forced to conform to the interests of those in power," not to mention involuntarily participating in a Collectivist system. Why are you defending the ins companies' "rights" to keep their costs and coverage opaque?
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It's like asking us to bet $500 billion dollars because he promises he will make a hole-in-one on the ninth hole. Oh well, now that he put it that way, who can argue, the guy promised us. The check is in the mail, we have his word on it, he's good for it 
