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Old 09-22-2009, 03:43 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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I think that's the plan, to start cutting the waste and saving the money now, for 2013 when all systems should be (Pay)Go.
Fifty years too late.

If it is all the same to you, I'd rather see evidence that the politicians in Washington can recover $30-$50 billion a year in waste, fraud and abuse for existing government programs, BEFORE we trust them to start up new government programs; while they regurgitate the same promises and assurances of lower costs and increased efficiencies, that preceded their waste, fraud and abuse.


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Old 09-22-2009, 03:43 PM
 
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This is getting to be a hoot. The same people who went their usual faux-ballistic over "secret deals" between the administration and Big Pharma have now managed to forget that one of the things in that "secret deal" was an $80 billion cost-cut buy-in into health care reform by drug manufacturers. There are also agreements in place with doctors, hospitals, and medical device manufacturers. Who's missing? Insurance companies. That's who the right-wing apparently supports. The insurance companies favor higher profits for wealthy insurance companies and higher costs and premiums for struggling consumers. And the right-wing is apparently willing to support them to the death. Who's the fool in this little play, I wonder...
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Old 09-22-2009, 03:48 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Yeah, sure it is. Until Mr. 20-Year-Old puts all that money into a new way-cool motorcycle that he then splatters along with himself into a tree, while of course not wearing a helmet, as that would be a sign of having surrendered his Individual Freedom. Then the ambulance comes and they haul him off to the emergency room where they plug him up to expensive machines and do all sorts of expensive procedures to save his worthless butt, while I and everybody else end up paying for it.
...sounds like 0bamaCare in action to me, a person who does not have to pay for their "free health care", goes to the doctor, and has us paying his health care for him.
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Old 09-22-2009, 03:48 PM
 
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arbitrarily: marked by or resulting from the unrestrained and often tyrannical exercise of power

If a 21 year old man, who was not a "developmentally delayed individual," wanted an insurance policy that did not cover every day office visits, "well‐baby, well‐childcare, mental health and substance use disorder" or any manner of arbitrarily mandated government requirements, he would not have an "Essential Benefits Package†and he would be fined/taxed by the government. And if his employer offered the same plan to his all male employees, he would suffer fines and penalties too.
More often, "arbitrary" means based on someone's whim or random chance. "If you cant be just, be arbitrary." - a famous creepy old man These are not arbitrarily -- or for that matter tyrannically -- selected benefits.

Your second para, I dont understand.Do you mean, this person would rather pick and choose only what he wants covered and pay a la carte? I have no idea what insurance companies offer along that line now or will offer in 2013.
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Old 09-22-2009, 03:50 PM
 
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Fifty years too late.

If it is all the same to you, I'd rather see evidence that the politicians in Washington can recover $30-$50 billion a year in waste, fraud and abuse for existing government programs, BEFORE we trust them to start up new government programs; while they regurgitate the same promises and assurances of lower costs and increased efficiencies, that preceded their waste, fraud and abuse.

Statistically it probably only became insupportable recently (and adverbially). "If it's all the same" - that's the plan.
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Old 09-22-2009, 03:50 PM
 
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This is getting to be a hoot. The same people who went their usual faux-ballistic over "secret deals" between the administration and Big Pharma have now managed to forget that one of the things in that "secret deal" was an $80 billion cost-cut buy-in into health care reform by drug manufacturers. There are also agreements in place with doctors, hospitals, and medical device manufacturers. Who's missing? Insurance companies. That's who the right-wing apparently supports. The insurance companies favor higher profits for wealthy insurance companies and higher costs and premiums for struggling consumers. And the right-wing is apparently willing to support them to the death. Who's the fool in this little play, I wonder...
Who is the fool? The people who put their faith and trust into the hands of government to manage our health care for us.
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Old 09-22-2009, 03:52 PM
 
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Who is the fool? The people who put their faith and trust into the hands of government to manage our health care for us.
I guess you'll be staying with your own insurance company, then, as many millions will do.
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Old 09-22-2009, 03:52 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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Typical liberal mentality, forcing socialism upon everyone at the point of a gun. They can't stand people who make choices they disagree with, so they feel compelled to punish all who do not comply. No trial, no jury, not even a lawyer, liberals hate the US so much and want to emulate Europe so badly that they gleefully take a page straight out of NAZI Germany.

What is next, concentration camps for real Americans?
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Old 09-22-2009, 03:55 PM
 
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Typical liberal mentality, forcing socialism upon everyone at the point of a gun. They can't stand people who make choices they disagree with, so they feel compelled to punish all who do not comply. No trial, no jury, not even a lawyer, liberals hate the US so much and want to emulate Europe so badly that they gleefully take a page straight out of NAZI Germany.

What is next, concentration camps for real Americans?
Goodness, are you psychic?

Fox's Glenn Beck says Obama is building concentration camps for Republicans
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Old 09-22-2009, 03:55 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Statistically it probably only became insupportable recently (and adverbially). "If it's all the same" - that's the plan.
So..... does that mean we do not demand evidence that the government can run Medicare, Medicaid, Welfare, social Security and do it without fraud and waste, and lower the costs, without cutting services? Or is the plan simply - a blind faith and trust in 0bama's promises?
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