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Old 09-27-2009, 10:41 AM
 
Location: The Lakes Region
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You provided no link, but the data is combined from more than one source. That tells me two things. First, the data is cherry-picked and second, site this data was collected from is in the business of cherry-picking data.



All NBC employee's..............
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Old 09-27-2009, 10:44 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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we don't know who those thousand-and-five people were.
If the OP provided a link to the poll we would know. Seeing as how I already know what the demographics are -
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The party split in the sample has Republicans at 22%, Democrats at 37%, and independents at 33%.
15% more dems than reps - a classically flawed/skewed poll.
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Old 09-27-2009, 10:47 AM
 
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The fact that you took "basic statistics" doesn't justify the fact that you can't tell what 300 million people think based on the opinions of 1,000. That's called "common sense," and I got an A in that.
If the sample is truly random (that is the hard part), 1000 is a pretty good sample size for a population of 300 million. (Confidence interval around 4% with confidence level at 99%.) The math works.
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Old 09-27-2009, 10:49 AM
 
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15% more dems than reps - a classically flawed/skewed poll.
There are currently more dems than reps in the population. Please don't tell me you think it should have been 50/50.
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Old 09-27-2009, 12:12 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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I prefer this poll. CBS/NYT always has the finger on the scale. Look at the demographics in the poll.

“Conservatives†Are Single-Largest Ideological Group
That poll just asked for political leanings, not positions on health care.

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The fact that you took "basic statistics" doesn't justify the fact that you can't tell what 300 million people think based on the opinions of 1,000. That's called "common sense," and I got an A in that.

And as a couple of other posters pointed out, we don't know who those thousand-and-five people were. Were they rich people, poor people, Democrats, Republicans, easterners, westerners. Were they even American citizens, for heaven's sake? Do you have any idea, and if so, why are you keeping it a secret?
You can look up the methodology. I'd the Wall Street Journal is both reliable and conservative.
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Old 09-27-2009, 12:28 PM
 
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It's funny to see how some wingnuts here argue that a poll of 1005 subjects isn't valid because nothing short of a general election would count. Well, we just had a general election which Obama clearly won. Of course, the same wingnuts would argue that Obama stole the election, so that doesn't count either. There's no plumbing the depths of right wingnuttery.....
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Old 09-27-2009, 03:52 PM
 
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There are currently more dems than reps in the population. Please don't tell me you think it should have been 50/50.
And yet polls show that twice the number of americans are conservative, over liberal..
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Old 09-27-2009, 05:16 PM
 
Location: Birmingham
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Data suspect as the party affiliations are not revealed.
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Old 09-27-2009, 05:23 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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There are currently more dems than reps in the population. Please don't tell me you think it should have been 50/50.
The latest polls put the % dems have over republicans in the mid single digits, certainly not 15%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...artisan_trends

Considering that the same outfit had the party ID at 7, one week before the election and now that want you to believe that democrats have doubled that figure...in this environment.....when all the polls show obama sliding? I don't think so.

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Old 09-27-2009, 05:26 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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That poll just asked for political leanings, not positions on health care.
The poll is not just about health care, is it?
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